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Chippy_boy said:
We seem to be going around in circles.

The point stands that were Tiger Woods to be a member of said club and decides to leave, then the question as to what access the club might give him would be rather more nuanced than just saying "here's the schedule of green fees and the rule book".

Bizarre that this rather basic concept is so difficult for some people to grasp. Mr Woods' continued playing at the club is to the club's benefit and whilst they don't want him playing in beach shorts and a tee shirt, at the same time they don't want him never showing his face their again. So a compromise would likely be sought.
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But it's even more nuanced than that because whilst it may be to the club's benefit to have Tiger Woods still show his face there, the club has other considerations that may outweigh that. Firstly they don't want other important members of the club to see that you can leave but still come back and play in your shorts but more importantly the club is arguably the biggest and best gold club in the world so they know that Tiger needs to play there more than they need him to play there. So they can let him leave with no access to the course and wait it out, knowing Tiger's position will be even weaker once he has left with no access and that he will more than likely have to come back begging to be allowed to play the odd round once he realises that being confined to playing pitch and putt in Wythenshawe Park for a good while is severely affecting his game.
 
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Ban-jani said:
You don’t believe it sold NI down the river do you?

They’ve got a great opportunity there now, being in both trading unions essentially.
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Whether they did or not, the WA was agreed without any endorsement from anyone there with the Unionist parties dead set against it.
It may be true that ultimately NI will be better off due to effectively staying in the EU but if it’s done against majority wishes then they’re going to feel they’ve been stitched up.
 
Ban-jani said:
You don’t believe it sold NI down the river do you?

They’ve got a great opportunity there now, being in both trading unions essentially.
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Living here, im not really sure what this great opportunity is...im not being antagonistic, and i dont doubt your assertions...i just dont know what the new opportunities are....would love to get a handle on how we (NI) can benefit from it
 
west didsblue said:
Whether they did or not, the WA was agreed without any endorsement from anyone there with the Unionist parties dead set against it.
It may be true that ultimately NI will be better off due to effectively staying in the EU but if it’s done against majority wishes then they’re going to feel they’ve been stitched up.
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Well yes the more ferocious unionists will be unhappy but if I were a businessman in NI I’d be licking my lips. They will essentially trade freely with both the EU and UK.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Living here, im not really sure what this great opportunity is...im not being antagonistic, and i dont doubt your assertions...i just dont know what the new opportunities are....would love to get a handle on how we (NI) can benefit from it
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Well businesses in NI will be able to trade with the entire EU as they currently do and with the UK freely. It’s genuinely a very good position to be in and our NI office has seen significant investment.

We have a guy in Derry/Londonderry and he’s been given a pot of money to hire people and build up his own team from scratch, which wouldn’t have otherwise happened.
 
Ban-jani said:
Well yes the more ferocious unionists will be unhappy but if I were a businessman in NI I’d be licking my lips. They will essentially trade freely with both the EU and UK.
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So they should know what's good for them and be happy to not take part in decisions about their future?
 
Ban-jani said:
Well yes the more ferocious unionists will be unhappy but if I were a businessman in NI I’d be licking my lips. They will essentially trade freely with both the EU and UK.
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They will ..... you do realise of course that there is a strong possibility that fish caught in UK waters (for onward sale to the Eu) but landed in Northern Ireland will be subject to no tariffs .. but landed in the mainland may well be subject to tariffs.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
But it's even more nuanced than that because whilst it may be to the club's benefit to have Tiger Woods still show his face there, the club has other considerations that may outweigh that. Firstly they don't want other important members of the club to see that you can leave but still come back and play in your shorts but more importantly the club is arguably the biggest and best gold club in the world so they know that Tiger needs to play there more than they need him to play there. So they can let him leave with no access to the course and wait it out, knowing Tiger's position will be even weaker once he has left with no access and that he will more than likely have to come back begging to be allowed to play the odd round once he realises that being confined to playing pitch and putt in Wythenshawe Park for a good while is severely affecting his game.
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That is an "ace", course record as well ...
 
Ban-jani said:
Well businesses in NI will be able to trade with the entire EU as they currently do and with the UK freely. It’s genuinely a very good position to be in and our NI office has seen significant investment.

We have a guy in Derry/Londonderry and he’s been given a pot of money to hire people and build up his own team from scratch, which wouldn’t have otherwise happened.
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So our dealings with the EU wont change...nor will our our dealing with GB? That seems a bit simple....or can everything just come through NI, with no restrictions? Surely there going to be some sort of barrier (dare i say, border) between NI and GB and also NI and RoI....to me, this suggests isolating us even more. We wont be able to trade/move freely from NI to RoI....and stuff going to GB from I will be restricted, depending on origin?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
They will ..... you do realise of course that there is a strong possibility that fish caught in UK waters (for onward sale to the Eu) but landed in Northern Ireland will be subject to no tariffs .. but landed in the mainland may well be subject to tariffs.
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That may be so but fishing is 0.01% of the UK economy. I seriously struggle to understand why it’s been such a major point for leave voters and the campaign and now for remain voters to throw back at them.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
So our dealings with the EU wont change...nor will our our dealing with GB? That seems a bit simple....or can everything just come through NI, with no restrictions? Surely there going to be some sort of barrier (dare i say, border) between NI and GB and also NI and RoI....to me, this suggests isolating us even more. We wont be able to trade/move freely from NI to RoI....and stuff going to GB from I will be restricted, depending on origin?
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There will be customs checks at the ports in GB and Belfast but these shouldn’t add much delay, if a FTA is agreed.

The general population wouldn’t experience this though.

The point is your business in NI can trade freely with the EU and GB. If the UK agrees significant trade agreements with the likes of the US, more comprehensive than GB trades with them now, the situation will even improve for NI.
 
west didsblue said:
Whether they did or not, the WA was agreed without any endorsement from anyone there with the Unionist parties dead set against it.
It may be true that ultimately NI will be better off due to effectively staying in the EU but if it’s done against majority wishes then they’re going to feel they’ve been stitched up.
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If it's the great deal and best of both worlds or not it was still imposed without any endorsement from those living thereafter being told it wouldn't happen. The same so called great deal is also denied other parts of the UK whether they want it or not.Hardly seems like a union being treated equally. If it's such a great deal why not let the whole UK in on it.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
So our dealings with the EU wont change...nor will our our dealing with GB? That seems a bit simple....or can everything just come through NI, with no restrictions? Surely there going to be some sort of barrier (dare i say, border) between NI and GB and also NI and RoI....to me, this suggests isolating us even more. We wont be able to trade/move freely from NI to RoI....and stuff going to GB from I will be restricted, depending on origin?
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There will be trade friction between GB and NI which didn’t previously exist and there will be friction in Services between NI and RoI which didn’t previously exist. The other problem is the lack of clarity and honesty over what exactly this friction will entail. No one is rushing to fill in the blanks partly because no one wants to highlight potential trade problems and partly because no one genuinely knows. The UK Govt would prefer to focus on bridges and free ports then get to grips with something that may (literally) blow up in their face.

Equally though NI is in both custom unions so there is the potential for benefits and areas to exploit. This applies to legitimate businesses but also criminal activity.
 
blueparrot said:
If it's the great deal and best of both worlds or not it was still imposed without any endorsement from those living thereafter being told it wouldn't happen. The same so called great deal is also denied other parts of the UK whether they want it or not.Hardly seems like a union being treated equally. If it's such a great deal why not let the whole UK in on it.
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There is the argument that NI is willingly apart of the UK and therefore willingly apart of the parliamentary procedure that takes place once a government is formed, giving them power to make changes to any member of the UK and the mandate to withdraw from the EU how they see fit, once agreement passes through Parliament.
 
BobKowalski said:
There will be trade friction between GB and NI which didn’t previously exist and there will be friction in Services between NI and RoI which didn’t previously exist. The other problem is the lack of clarity and honesty over what exactly this friction will entail. No one is rushing to fill in the blanks partly because no one wants to highlight potential trade problems and partly because no one genuinely knows. The UK Govt would prefer to focus on bridges and free ports then get to grips with something that may (literally) blow up in their face.

Equally though NI is in both custom unions so there is the potential for benefits and areas to exploit. This applies to legitimate businesses but also criminal activity.
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There will not be friction between NI and ROI, that is the entire point of doing customs checks at the ports.
 
Ban-jani said:
There is the argument that NI is willingly apart of the UK and therefore willingly apart of the parliamentary procedure that takes place once a government is formed, giving them power to make changes to any member of the UK and the mandate to withdraw from the EU how they see fit, once agreement passes through Parliament.
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There is an argument, and it's an argument that post brexit will put the UK as it exists under enormous pressure. Pressure that IMO will lead to the break up over the next 10-20 years.
 
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