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Scots Gaelic is very like Irish.
I find sometimes I can read it easily enough.
Do you know any Magicpole or is it just in the highlands or the islands that it’s taught?
 
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Magicpole said:
What's nonsense about Irish people wanting to be able to promote the Irish language?

I think in this area, people who don't consider themselves Irish, deciding that they won't allow that. That to me is not just nonsense but bigoted and pathetic.

We have our own language too,Gaelic and it is supported and taught in some schools. Keeping old languages alive us a great thing. Not allowing it because you're a bigot who claims they are not Irish is typical of Unionism and especially the DUP.
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Its nonsense to me because there are more important things....especially for kids. Its romoanticbug a waste of time for them. Imo.
 
TonyM said:
Its nonsense to me because there are more important things....especially for kids. Its romoanticbug a waste of time for them. Imo.
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What's more important than your language asa people? Nobody said if we teach the language we starve the children, it was blocked by a group of young earth bigots, because they are bigots. I always wonder why if they hate everything Irish so much, why not fuck off to the mainland? Not here though. We got an influx in 1912 and since then Orange Walks and more hatred came with them. Those who went to the US started the Klan. They tend to see hating as a central tenet of their lives. Bottom line is, they are Irish. It's like me saying I'm not Scottish, just British, total fucking insanity.
 
Magicpole said:
What's more important than your language asa people? Nobody said if we teach the language we starve the children, it was blocked by a group of young earth bigots, because they are bigots. I always wonder why if they hate everything Irish so much, why not fuck off to the mainland? Not here though. We got an influx in 1912 and since then Orange Walks and more hatred came with them. Those who went to the US started the Klan. They tend to see hating as a central tenet of their lives. Bottom line is, they are Irish. It's like me saying I'm not Scottish, just British, total fucking insanity.
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Reminded me of this.
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2...ay-after-losing-long-hard-battle-with-hatred/
 
Magicpole said:
What's nonsense about Irish people wanting to be able to promote the Irish language?

I think in this area, people who don't consider themselves Irish, deciding that they won't allow that. That to me is not just nonsense but bigoted and pathetic.

We have our own language too,Gaelic and it is supported and taught in some schools. Keeping old languages alive us a great thing. Not allowing it because you're a bigot who claims they are not Irish is typical of Unionism and especially the DUP.
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People can speak whatever language they wish, it’s the essence of liberty.
 
Magicpole said:
What's more important than your language asa people? Nobody said if we teach the language we starve the children, it was blocked by a group of young earth bigots, because they are bigots. I always wonder why if they hate everything Irish so much, why not fuck off to the mainland? Not here though. We got an influx in 1912 and since then Orange Walks and more hatred came with them. Those who went to the US started the Klan. They tend to see hating as a central tenet of their lives. Bottom line is, they are Irish. It's like me saying I'm not Scottish, just British, total fucking insanity.
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Someone’s language is the most important thing to their entire culture.

I’m British, have Conservative social views and think Gerry Adams should be in prison but I respect the right for anyone in Ireland, north or south, to speak whatever language they wish. I’d even go as far as defending their right to do so.

I won’t tell you what you’re allowed to say if you don’t tell me what I’m allowed to say; is a mantra to live by.
 
Ban-jani said:
People can speak whatever language they wish, it’s the essence of liberty.
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It’s part of a national culture, heritage and identity. Even if the way it’s taught, to this day, turns kids off.

They still come out of school after 12 years with barely....
cúpla focal.
 
I'm not arguing that people should not have the right to learn Irish. I'm just arguing that the cost of learning it is a lot when for the vast majority of us don't benefit from it. It's also a bit elitist...at least it used to be..., e.g. in the 80s for our leaving cert exams you got extra marks if you did it through Irish. So my friends got 5% more than me because their parents sent them to a small irish secondary school while I was in the big CBS school next door. 30 kids got special attention and excellent resources for everything while 200+ kids got barely any education. Out of the 30 kids all of them went to college, out of our side I was one of 3. And today these Gaelscoils are everywhere - again serving the few with the most. They succeeded in promoting the language but couldn't they have put those resources into all children willing to learn?

This is just an example of how promoting the language sounds great but comes at a cost.

But I dont want it to change now (even though my kids wont benefit... again) because it would take effort to change it and it's not the right time.

I just dont want to see wasted resources spent on the language that is distracting people from more important issues right now. Hopefully the language wont even be mentioned over the next few years but if it is you can picture me with my head in my hands.
 
Dont get mixed up in what the Irish Language act "issue" is in the North either....its not an Act to make everyone speak Irish...nor are people trying to stop the use of Irish....the intention of thew Irish language act was/is to give it equal status...even though i think its about 10% of people speak Irish here.
Whats important to understand is how its been politicised by both sides of the argument...

Those in favour argue..."sure, its only to give equal status to the native language, we should all be equal, whats the harm etc"....those against say its a waste of money, its irrelevant/dead language.
Then you can look at deeper reason, and probably more accurate opinions (imo)....its an attempt or effort to normalise "irishness", slowly change mindsets....this is what both sides of the argument (again imo) are thinking....but one side likes this, the other is scared of it.

Im fairly indifferent...i dont neccessarily think its needed, but neither do i have a problem...which really makes you think WHY is it such an issue for SF/DUP etc....because the Act itself isnt the issue, its the connotations and what it may or may not lead on to
 
TonyM said:
I'm not arguing that people should not have the right to learn Irish. I'm just arguing that the cost of learning it is a lot when for the vast majority of us don't benefit from it. It's also a bit elitist...at least it used to be..., e.g. in the 80s for our leaving cert exams you got extra marks if you did it through Irish. So my friends got 5% more than me because their parents sent them to a small irish secondary school while I was in the big CBS school next door. 30 kids got special attention and excellent resources for everything while 200+ kids got barely any education. Out of the 30 kids all of them went to college, out of our side I was one of 3. And today these Gaelscoils are everywhere - again serving the few with the most. They succeeded in promoting the language but couldn't they have put those resources into all children willing to learn?

This is just an example of how promoting the language sounds great but comes at a cost.

But I dont want it to change now (even though my kids wont benefit... again) because it would take effort to change it and it's not the right time.

I just dont want to see wasted resources spent on the language that is distracting people from more important issues right now. Hopefully the language wont even be mentioned over the next few years but if it is you can picture me with my head in my hands.
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Imagine how we all feel when we're put at a permanent disadvantage due to the rest of the country speaking a foreign language?
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Scots Gaelic is very like Irish.
I find sometimes I can read it easily enough.
Do you know any Magicpole or is it just in the highlands or the islands that it’s taught?
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To my shame I don't. Our Scottish side of the family come from the western Highlands and spoke it, but down the line that was lost. And it is taught all over, with a couple of Gaelic schools in Glasgow. I think it's vitally important languages are kept alive and no group of bigots should be allowed to prevent that.

My Irish side is a great grandmother who was a Catholic from Donegal and a great grandfather who was a Protestant unionistf a farming family in Antrim. They couldn't stay there so came to Scotland. My Great Grandmother was a fluent Irish speaker as well as English.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Imagine how we all feel when we're put at a permanent disadvantage due to the rest of the country speaking a foreign language?
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Are you at a permanent disadvantage being bi-lingual?
I know Gaeltacht areas find it extremely difficult economically to retain a population. The young need to find work and usually have to leave.
What are you referring to in particular Aguero?
 
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