Another new Brexit thread

[west didsblue]

Northern Ireland will be in the Single Market.

End of argument.

They will be in the Single Market for goods. Services have not been mentioned.

 

[BobKowalski]

Northern Ireland will be in the Single Market.

End of argument.

Only certain agreed sectors will be treated as being in the Single Market to facilitate the movement of goods with particular focus on agriculture. Legal services for example are not included. If they were then half of London would be setting up an office in Belfast rather than Dublin.

If you have information to the contrary I am happy to be corrected as it would be good news for NI.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

By 2021 the UK will have additional trade deals with many countries. I believe a number of deals (16ish?) have already rolled over.

could you name 2 for us then?

To date 20 have been rolled over ....... accounting for 8% of UK trade ..... none of the deals is any better than what we currently have through the Eu (they cant be because of the favoured nation clause).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trad...brexit#trade-agreements-that-have-been-signed


Sunny uplands here we come.

 

[Ban-jani]

They will be in the Single Market for goods. Services have not been mentioned.

Only certain agreed sectors will be treated as being in the Single Market to facilitate the movement of goods with particular focus on agriculture. Legal services for example are not included. If they were then half of London would be setting up an office in Belfast rather than Dublin.

If you have information to the contrary I am happy to be corrected as it would be good news for NI.

I stand corrected.

I will however go to my previous point that the friction will not be physical, on the border and NI will still have a very favourable position. I wish Manchester had the same agreement.

 

[BobKowalski]

I stand corrected.

I will however go to my previous point that the friction will not be physical, on the border and NI will still have a very favourable position. I wish Manchester had the same agreement.

Agreed.

 

[west didsblue]

To date 20 have been rolled over ....... accounting for 8% of UK trade ..... none of the deals is any better than what we currently have through the Eu (they cant be because of the favoured nation clause).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trad...brexit#trade-agreements-that-have-been-signed


Sunny uplands here we come.

Probably worth pointing out that currently 60% of trade is covered by trade agreements to compare with the 8% next year unless we agree something with the EU and other countries..

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Is tiger joining on a pay as you play basis, or is he paying some sort of associate membership fee for lesser privileges?

He's planning on just joining one of Trump's golf clubs instead. Might not have to pay any fees but will almost certainly have to accept having his pussy grabbed whether he likes it or not.

 

[Chippy_boy]

To date 20 have been rolled over ....... accounting for 8% of UK trade ..... none of the deals is any better than what we currently have through the Eu (they cant be because of the favoured nation clause).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trad...brexit#trade-agreements-that-have-been-signed


Sunny uplands here we come.

As a matter of interest, what is the point of your posts? To amuse Bellbuzzer? He seems to like all of them, but I can see no other purpose.

 

[Vic]

To date 20 have been rolled over ....... accounting for 8% of UK trade ..... none of the deals is any better than what we currently have through the Eu (they cant be because of the favoured nation clause).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trad...brexit#trade-agreements-that-have-been-signed


Sunny uplands here we come.

Of the "Trade agreements still under discussion" the only two with any significant volume are Japan and Turkey and it says neither will be done by exit day.

 

[Vic]

As a matter of interest, what is the point of your posts? To amuse Bellbuzzer? He seems to like all of them, but I can see no other purpose.

Truth. Brexit is shit. But what's the point of any Brexiter posting on here, if Brexit is done?

 

[Vic]

Here's the actual figures:
2019 1,303,135
2018 1,519,440
2017 1,671,166
2016 1,722,698
2015 1,587,677
2014 1,528,148
2013 1,509,762
2012 1,464,906
2011 1,343,810
2010 1,270,444
2009 999,460
2008 1,446,619
2007 1,534,567
2006 1,442,085
2005 1,595,697
2004 1,646,750
2003 1,657,558

My guess he's taking his figures from 2009 to the 2015 election. He did, of course, neglect to mention the 22% drop since the vote to leave the EU following 6 years of steady growth from 2010 to 1016 which is obviously nothing to do with Brexit but all to do with EU-Japan deal/Diesel bad/switch to electric (delete as appropriate) even though production in France has gone up over the same period.

So assuming the figure for 2010 means production was recovering from the crash, and when the Tories took over it was around the 1.1m mark, and going off current forecasts, by the end of this year the Tories will have got car production in the UK down to what it was when they took over. (And they accuse Remainers of doing down the UK...)

 

[Vic]

• 2016 - No Border checks

• 2017 - No Border checks

• 2018 - Absolutely No Border checks

• 2019 - No Border checks under any circumstances.

• 2020 - We always said there would be Border checks . Thats what you voted for.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-goods-inevitable-gove-tells-business-leaders

2016 - "We will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border" (Gove - and Johnson - in 2016)
2020 - “You have to accept we will need some friction. We will minimise it but it is an inevitability of our departure” (Gove).
It's obviously not inevitable if we were still in a FTZ....

 

[Chippy_boy]

So assuming the figure for 2010 means production was recovering from the crash, and when the Tories took over it was around the 1.1m mark, and going off current forecasts, by the end of this year the Tories will have got car production in the UK down to what it was when they took over. (And they accuse Remainers of doing down the UK...)

You need to get back on the phones mate. Another 10 years of peddling your incessant bollocks and Labour might have a chance of winning.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

You need to get back on the phones mate. Another 10 years of peddling your incessant bollocks and Labour might have a chance of winning.

Seems legit to me. Tories are running the UK manufactoring sector into the ground. Car production is a headline figure but for every big car production plant there will be 10 or 20 small business dotted about making components that go into them. You run the big manufacturing down and the little ones go with it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Seems legit to me. Tories are running the UK manufactoring sector into the ground. Car production is a headline figure but for every big car production plant there will be 10 or 20 small business dotted about making components that go into them. You run the big manufacturing down and the little ones go with it.

Tories are not running the UK manufacturing into anything mate. It isn't the government's job to run manufacturing.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Tories are not running the UK manufacturing into anything mate. It isn't the government's job to run manufacturing.

Nice try - we can all see what is happening.

 

[BobKowalski]

EU have added Cayman Islands to its tax haven blacklist. We have been blocking that for years if I recall.

 

[aguero93:20]

EU have added Cayman Islands to its tax haven blacklist. We have been blocking that for years if I recall.

The positive side of Brexit, we'll get to put barriers up against these rogue states that we couldn't with the UK with veto power inside the SM and CU.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Nice try - we can all see what is happening.

It isn't a "nice try". It's a fundamental point that you just don't get.

And BTW, I suppose the German car industry having to lay 50,000 workers off is the Tories' fault as well?

 

[west didsblue]

It isn't a "nice try". It's a fundamental point that you just don't get.

You're absolutely correct that the government don't run manufacturing, however they should be doing their best to make the business environment as conducive as possible for manufacturers to be successful and profitable. So far they are achieving this by introducing uncertainty for supply chains across international borders, promising additional complexity in managing imports and exports and promising to curtail the availability of labour by making the UK a less attractive environment for workers from abroad.