UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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why are people so confident that if 'found guilty' and given a ban, CAS would overturn that ruling in our favour?

This is different to any other previous FFP case, including our own punishment. From what i understand, So far, clubs have (including ourselves) been accused of breaching FFP limits, and CAS simply ruled that the punishments were disproportionate and unfair, not that the breach didn't occur. In some cases, the punishment was avoided, in n others suspended (but still applied).

What we are accused of is different, it is not breaching ffp, it is misleading uefa and book-fixing, effectively claimed as cheating. It no longer becomes a simple, is the punishment too onerous for the breach (of a shit rule), and the message CAS would be sending puts a different pressure on the whole thing, if we are found guilty by Uefa.

Putting aside all the crap, about how this came about, the 'evidence', the behind the scenes plays etc etc, it is a bit different in principle to other CAS cases.

While i do like how strongly the club have approached this and how resolute they aeem, as much as a long battle would be damaging for uefa, long term, it might not be the best outcome for us. surely, no punishment or need to appeal would be better, and uefa finding a way out of finding us 'guilty' would be preferred. for me at least. the time to challenge ffp was 2014, a bit different now.
You think CAS will ignore 'the evidence' and how it was obtained, to come to the conclusion that we are guilty of something? Does the word 'Court' in their name not give a clue?

As said above, there has been no confirmation that UEFA are working off anything but Der Spiegel s online media ramblings.
 
CAS only rule on process and procedure, so things like whether UEFA have dealt with our case fairly and in line with their own process. What we may or may not have done as regards FFP is of little or no interest to them. So it's no different to any other case they've heard in that sense.

Not entirely what my understanding is, not exclusively that, at least. but not arguing it either tbf.
 
You think CAS will ignore 'the evidence' and how it was obtained, to come to the conclusion that we are guilty of something? Does the word 'Court' in their name not give a clue?

As said above, there has been no confirmation that UEFA are working off anything but Der Spiegel s online media ramblings.

I don't. That isn't what i said. I was just asking if we are maybe taking it as a given that CAS would rule in our favour.
 
why are people so confident that if 'found guilty' and given a ban, CAS would overturn that ruling in our favour?

This is different to any other previous FFP case, including our own punishment. From what i understand, So far, clubs have (including ourselves) been accused of breaching FFP limits, and CAS simply ruled that the punishments were disproportionate and unfair, not that the breach didn't occur. In some cases, the punishment was avoided, in n others suspended (but still applied).

What we are accused of is different, it is not breaching ffp, it is misleading uefa and book-fixing, effectively claimed as cheating. It no longer becomes a simple, is the punishment too onerous for the breach (of a shit rule), and the message CAS would be sending puts a different pressure on the whole thing, if we are found guilty by Uefa.

Putting aside all the crap, about how this came about, the 'evidence', the behind the scenes plays etc etc, it is a bit different in principle to other CAS cases.

While i do like how strongly the club have approached this and how resolute they aeem, as much as a long battle would be damaging for uefa, long term, it might not be the best outcome for us. surely, no punishment or need to appeal would be better, and uefa finding a way out of finding us 'guilty' would be preferred. for me at least. the time to challenge ffp was 2014, a bit different now.
We didn't do it, guv. Or, as Khaldoon said, "Our Accounts are a matter of public record."
We may have to go beyond CAS to prove our case.
 
why are people so confident that if 'found guilty' and given a ban, CAS would overturn that ruling in our favour?

This is different to any other previous FFP case, including our own punishment. From what i understand, So far, clubs have (including ourselves) been accused of breaching FFP limits, and CAS simply ruled that the punishments were disproportionate and unfair, not that the breach didn't occur. In some cases, the punishment was avoided, in n others suspended (but still applied).

What we are accused of is different, it is not breaching ffp, it is misleading uefa and book-fixing, effectively claimed as cheating. It no longer becomes a simple, is the punishment too onerous for the breach (of a shit rule), and the message CAS would be sending puts a different pressure on the whole thing, if we are found guilty by Uefa.

Putting aside all the crap, about how this came about, the 'evidence', the behind the scenes plays etc etc, it is a bit different in principle to other CAS cases.

While i do like how strongly the club have approached this and how resolute they aeem, as much as a long battle would be damaging for uefa, long term, it might not be the best outcome for us. surely, no punishment or need to appeal would be better, and uefa finding a way out of finding us 'guilty' would be preferred. for me at least. the time to challenge ffp was 2014, a bit different now.

opens up a whole can of worms though mate with regards Etihad , their accountants etc? As long as the money came out of Etihads accounts then it’s fine .
 
Why is it against the rules of UEFA for a person to buy a company (football club) that isnt doing very well, than invest in the company and after 10 years turn that struggling company into a very successful profit making company. I would have thought having a successful company would be good for the imagine if UEFA, and it could encourage other people to buy struggling clubs and try to repeat the success. It can only be good to have well run successful clubs both on and of the field.

Just on a layman's term wont UEFA be breaking the European law by perverting someone from investing in his company ?. That would imply that UEFA is a closed shop and against free and fair trade.
 
Quick note on the leaked documents

Pinto have admitted multiple times that he didn't obtain all of the 'leaked documents' himself

So a club, agent or individual / group other than Pinto potentially hacked or stole the City documents

I doubt that this was done via the goodness of someone's heart, so can a third party who financially benefits from the stolen documents count as a whistleblower?
 
Why is it against the rules of UEFA for a person to buy a company (football club) that isnt doing very well, than invest in the company and after 10 years turn that struggling company into a very successful profit making company. I would have thought having a successful company would be good for the imagine if UEFA, and it could encourage other people to buy struggling clubs and try to repeat the success. It can only be good to have well run successful clubs both on and of the field.

Just on a layman's term wont UEFA be breaking the European law by perverting someone from investing in his company ?. That would imply that UEFA is a closed shop and against free and fair trade.
Uefa persuaded the EU commission that sport was a special case.
 
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