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How ironic. It's the exact opposite. I was being dogmatic before and now I am not. I am being balanced and pragmatic.

You should give it a go - break the habit of a lifetime. It's quite liberating.

You've lost me. So you are admitting you were unbalanced / dogmatic before?

But are you not being dogmatic now? Just dogmatic about the opposite of what you were dogmatic about before? If your view is balanced now, does that mean you might be wrong?

I'm getting a definite sense of "wibble" about your new sense of balance.
 
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I imagine they abruptly stopped laughing upon reading the IMF report showing our economy to outperform there’s this year.

Still, our own politics comedy shows mock everyone else’s and it’s just fun and games.

shows all those quoting the imminent demise of the EU and the dislike for the EU within the EU population is false. What has to be understood is that the population of the EU and their parliaments are pissing themselves laughing at us - they are string they are united and will happily watch us commit ritual self harm over Brexit because they know the damage and the fall out from that will be the UK coming crawling back to them, Thats when they will be able to extract revenge if they feel like it. For now just point and laugh.
 
shows all those quoting the imminent demise of the EU and the dislike for the EU within the EU population is false. What has to be understood is that the population of the EU and their parliaments are pissing themselves laughing at us - they are string they are united and will happily watch us commit ritual self harm over Brexit because they know the damage and the fall out from that will be the UK coming crawling back to them, Thats when they will be able to extract revenge if they feel like it. For now just point and laugh.

Does it? Or is it a comedy show making a joke?
 
I imagine they abruptly stopped laughing upon reading the IMF report showing our economy to outperform there’s this year.

Still, our own politics comedy shows mock everyone else’s and it’s just fun and games.
Most of our comedy shows mock us as well.
It's where the laughs are.
 
Most of our comedy shows mock us as well.
It's where the laughs are.

Well it’s much funnier to watch a May government than a government slowly allowing itself to be merged with a federal superstate whilst doing nothing.

However you on the left hate this country so any pop you can possibly have, you do.
 
You've lost me. So you are admitting you were unbalanced / dogmatic before?

But are you not being dogmatic now? Just dogmatic about the opposite of what you were dogmatic about before? If your view is balanced now, does that mean you might be wrong?

I'm getting a definite sense of "wibble" about your new sense of balance.
Let me explain more clearly:

I fully admit that in my ardent Remainer days, I got swept up in it all and my thinking was very binary and not at all balanced. I didn't start out like that: Before the referendum I was quite undecided as to which way to vote. But having backed a certain camp, my position became more and more and more entrenched and eventually I could not see the wood for the trees and would claim black was white if it supported by Remain argument. It's very tribal and that sort of lack of objectivity, lack of empathy for the opposing point of view can been seen all across these pages.

Having switched sides, I am not now saying I am perfect and beyond such faults. But I can say I can see both sides' positions rather more clearly than my emotions enabled me to see them previously. Things are more "nuanced".

I am still a Remainer at heart - I wish we had never left. But now that we have, I am not going to spend the rest of my life banging on (as some on here are doing) about how terrible it is and every intricate detail of every little problem that we will inevitably encounter. What on earth is the point of that? It is what it is. We are where we are. We have to get on with it and make the best of it. I am naturally VERY much a glass half full kind of person and will look for positives wherever I can find them. And yes, there are positives to Brexit. I didn't like us being told what to do by a bunch of bureaucrats running a system of "questionable" democratic processes. I didn't like some of the rules we had to live under - like not being able to protect or support our own industries, for example. And I didn't like the fact the EU as a whole is way left of my own political leanings.

There is opportunity for the UK to do well outside of the EU and I hope we can grasp the opportunity.
 
Quick reminder what we’ve chucked away for that extra sovereignty that no one can explain and for the blue passports that we’re importing from France.


Speaking of colour, perhaps you should look closer at the graph at the large parts that’s say estimate and the word BE which I assume means Bank of England.

they may as well had another big graph showing how many experts estimates since the brexit vote have come true since the brexit vote that would be interesting

source BS

interesting economic data coming out of Germany today and it’s not estimates.

also euro hits a 3 year low against the dollar.
 
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Speaking of colour, perhaps you should look closer at the graph at the large parts that’s say estimate and the word BE which I assume means Bank of England.

they may as well had another big graph showing how many experts estimates since the brexit vote have come true since the brexit vote that would be interesting

source BS

interesting economic data coming out of Germany today and it’s not estimates.

also euro hits a 3 year low against the dollar.
You've assumed wrong.
BE is "Bloomberg Economics".
Agree it's just someone's opinion but Bloomberg have no skin in the game.

Who gives a fuck about the Euro anyway? We weren't in it and there was no prospect of us joining even if we hadn't left.
 
You've assumed wrong.
BE is "Bloomberg Economics".
Agree it's just someone's opinion but Bloomberg have no skin in the game.

Who gives a fuck about the Euro anyway? We weren't in it and there was no prospect of us joining even if we hadn't left.

so it’s just another wrong opinion by an expert. It’s not a fact as you painted it.

the euro is important as it’s the currency of the eu.

perhaps you could ask your mates at Bloomberg economics why since we left the eu has the pound strengthened against both the euro and the dollar, whereas the euro has weakened against both the pound and the dollar.

I would have thought , given the predictions of many, the opposite would have been the case ?
 
so it’s just another wrong opinion by an expert. It’s not a fact as you painted it.

the euro is important as it’s the currency of the eu.

perhaps you could ask your mates at Bloomberg economics why since we left the eu has the pound strengthened against both the euro and the dollar, whereas the euro has weakened against both the pound and the dollar.

I would have thought , given the predictions of many, the opposite would have been the case ?
Because we haven't left the EU yet.
 
so it’s just another wrong opinion by an expert. It’s not a fact as you painted it.

the euro is important as it’s the currency of the eu.

perhaps you could ask your mates at Bloomberg economics why since we left the eu has the pound strengthened against both the euro and the dollar, whereas the euro has weakened against both the pound and the dollar.

I would have thought , given the predictions of many, the opposite would have been the case ?
31 Jan - £1=€1.19, £1=$1.32
14 Feb - £1=€1.20, £1=$1.30
So you're half right.

Totally irrelevant in the scheme of things as we've only been out a fortnight and nothing much has changed yet except longer queues at some airports.

If you're comparing rates from the day before the vote in 2016, the pound is significantly weaker against both.
 
A tweet from a Brexit supporter and no it's not a parody account.


I went Spain last year and waited for an hour and a half at immigration, with hundreds of others.
so it’s just another wrong opinion by an expert. It’s not a fact as you painted it.

the euro is important as it’s the currency of the eu.

perhaps you could ask your mates at Bloomberg economics why since we left the eu has the pound strengthened against both the euro and the dollar, whereas the euro has weakened against both the pound and the dollar.

I would have thought , given the predictions of many, the opposite would have been the case ?
Ever since the referendum none of the predictions have materialised, in fact the complete opposite has happened.
Now we're out, another one has crashed and burned, pound up, euro down, yet another doom scenario down the pan.
Still, I suppose we still need to keep fretting about non tariff barriers, that's bubbling away on the back burner.
 
I went Spain last year and waited for an hour and a half at immigration, with hundreds of others.

Ever since the referendum none of the predictions have materialised, in fact the complete opposite has happened.
Now we're out, another one has crashed and burned, pound up, euro down, yet another doom scenario down the pan.
Still, I suppose we still need to keep fretting about non tariff barriers, that's bubbling away on the back burner.
We are still under the regulatory framework of the EU. Until that is no longer the case you might want to hold onto your triumphalism.
 
We are still under the regulatory framework of the EU. Until that is no longer the case you might want to hold onto your triumphalism.
We're out of the EU, we're not going back, any negatives should now be piling up, they're not, all that is are yet more
predictions, could be's and probably's. When these materialise, you can parade your insight.
 
We're out of the EU, we're not going back, any negatives should now be piling up, they're not, all that is are yet more
predictions, could be's and probably's. When these materialise, you can parade your insight.
Nope, we are in a transition period of alignment. When we fully leave, likely with no deal because the idiots in charge of this don't know what they're doing, then we can discuss the shit show. If you don't appreciate this is the case then I'm afraid you don't understand what is going on right now.
 
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