UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[YaYa's Left Peg]

How is the opinion I’ve expressed throwing in a towel? I’ll renew my season ticket no matter what. Will follow us whatever league/comp. still shite that the club we love, which has had in the last decade positive impacts on the sport and local community, is having its name sullied to a global audience and its integrity called into question.

I agree. Where is your season ticket in the ground? Perhaps we can meet up for a chat?

 

[BuryBlue1977]

Fuck you Uefa
Fuck VAR
Fuck all opposition fans who are now gloating
Fuck Sky
Fuck the BBC
We either win an appeal or we don’t but 100% we may have lost the battle but we will win the war. Throw whatever you like as us, we’re going nowhere.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

Michel platini brought fair play in,well make your mind up,always hated this champions league.

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

Our owner is not ridiculously powerful except in his country. He is wealthy but politically he has few allies which is why City fans should not be too reliant on the CAS or one beating FFP. Regulation of big money is popular.

You really are a fucking Mavis.

 

[meltonblue]

That attitude will be what kills off a lot of blues. Resignation and cynicism. The best in football is standing with your team when times are tough and then seeing it through and winning in three, four years, or however long it takes. Juve did it. We will too.

There's still CAS which could conceivably kill this off but we have to be ready to take the worst they can throw at us.

Just remember even if they don’t kill this off, it ultimately doesn’t matter. If they find that we are guilty then they aren’t throwing anything at us, they are throwing it at our owners. The club is the only thing that deserves our undying loyalty, nothing else. If they are guilty and the allegations are true, then we should be vociferous in our criticism too.

Obviously I hope that isn’t the case and that our faith in the people running our club has been well placed all along. They are not the club though. We are. We are the ones that stay no matter what happens.

 

[Father Paul]

How is the opinion I’ve expressed throwing in a towel? I’ll renew my season ticket no matter what. Will follow us whatever league/comp. still shite that the club we love, which has had in the last decade positive impacts on the sport and local community, is having its name sullied to a global audience and its integrity called into question.

There has been a visceral dislike of our club ever since the take over by the football authorities the press and many fans. Sometimes it has been open and obvious other times more of an underlying current. The ban handed down yesterday is really just an extention of this process and changes very little with respect to reputation status. Indeed the eventual reversal of this decision which I believe is likely will have little effect on how we are viewed by most of the actors spouting off currently. The battle as I see it now is to be the vanguard of a movement to eliminate once and for all the corrupt regime and the bottom feeders in the press who support it. In this sense the hacked emails and accusations of false accounting are of secondary importance to this primary objective. We must as supporters give unwavering support to the club and team and show nothing but disdain for the organisation which is protecting the interests of the Cartel. I would rather do what is right and fight and lose than surrender our principles just to be allowed participate in an increasingly flawed competition or to avoid criticism from the tribal hordes. As somebody said earlier better to be a tiger for a day than a sheep for a lifetime.

 

[kinky's boots]

Just remember even if they don’t kill this off, it ultimately doesn’t matter. If they find that we are guilty then they aren’t throwing anything at us, they are throwing it at our owners. The club is the only thing that deserves our undying loyalty, nothing else. If they are guilty and the allegations are true, then we should be vociferous in our criticism too.

Obviously I hope that isn’t the case and that our faith in the people running our club has been well placed all along. They are not the club though. We are. We are the ones that stay no matter what happens.

Guilty of what though? Trying to circumvent rules of corruption that were only brought in to serve the established elite is not a guilty charge in my opinion. We just needed to do it better. We are not the cheats in this scenario

 

[Marvin]

There has been a visceral dislike of our club ever since the take over by the football authorities the press and many fans. Sometimes it has been open and obvious other times more of an underlying current. The ban handed down yesterday is really just an extention of this process and changes very little with respect to reputation status. Indeed the eventual reversal of this decision which I believe is likely will have little effect on how we are viewed by most of the actors spouting off currently. The battle as I see it now is to be the vanguard of a movement to eliminate once and for all the corrupt regime and the bottom feeders in the press who support it. In this sense the hacked emails and accusations of false accounting are of secondary importance to this primary objective. We must as supporters give unwavering support to the club and team and show nothing but disdain for the organisation which is protecting the interests of the Cartel. I would rather do what is right and fight and lose than surrender our principles just to be allowed participate in an increasingly flawed competition or to avoid criticism from the tribal hordes. As somebody said earlier better to be a tiger for a day than a sheep for a lifetime.

You will have to be a tiger for a lifetime. This is going to go on and on and on.

 

[kaz7]

Our owner is not ridiculously powerful except in his country. He is wealthy but politically he has few allies which is why City fans should not be too reliant on the CAS or one beating FFP. Regulation of big money is popular.

Few allies lol

 

[Marvin]

Just remember even if they don’t kill this off, it ultimately doesn’t matter. If they find that we are guilty then they aren’t throwing anything at us, they are throwing it at our owners. The club is the only thing that deserves our undying loyalty, nothing else. If they are guilty and the allegations are true, then we should be vociferous in our criticism too.

Obviously I hope that isn’t the case and that our faith in the people running our club has been well placed all along. They are not the club though. We are. We are the ones that stay no matter what happens.

FFP was neutral was it? And didn't UEFA even after drafting FFP then change the way they assessed the rules when city looked like getting off the hook?

 

[Father Paul]

You will have to be a tiger for a lifetime. This is going to go on and on and on.

And longer still but we will have to stick at it.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I’m hopeful someone can help with this (not just @Prestwich_Blue who I assume is snowed under) . . .

My recollection from the first go round was that there was an argument over whether or not Mansour and Etihad were related parties, with UEFA saying they were and us and I assume by extension our auditors saying they were not. UEFA and City “agreed to disagree” and we were not sanctioned for sponsorship revenue inflation but for pre-FFP wage issues that we received guidance on from UEFA that they ultimately changed which forced us to trip the wire on maximum allowable loss, which we did not intend. We were angry, but we accepted the punishment because we were technically in violation even though, as Colin pointed out, there was a goalpost move.

So if that’s all accurate, did we then go down the “ADUG and Etihad aren’t related parties” path? And that’s what we’ve been called out on? Because UEFA says the email leaks show that they are, and we misled them?

And if this is true, did we mislead auditors? In other words, do the auditors warrant to UEFA that our records are sound for purposes of FFP, or just for accounting reporting purposes (ISA, or what would be GAAP in America)?

 

[mat]

The *** are hailing Rui Pinto a hero for getting us bang to rights.

The football is fixed blog says otherwise.

https://footballisfixed.blogspot.com/search?q=Rui+Pinto

 

[Semper aggressus]

So when are we going to lodge our appeal to CAS?

We must already have it prepared as we've known for a while the bastards at uefa would try to stitch us up. Could do with an innocent until proven guilty gagging order on the media lies and bullshit about us too. Isn't there some kind of law that stops media speculation about ongoing court cases?

 

[LGWIO]

I personally think both FIFA (obviously) and UEFA (less so) are only interested in preserving the status quo of the old guard (Yes I know I'm setting myself up for abuse as Liverpool fan) and so have to come out in support of City (to a degree). Can you really have confidence in organisations that had Blatter & Platini running them?
There will be an appeal and I would like to think that it would be successful as I do feel that the punishment given is way too harsh.
IF.... there was any breach of FFP then IMO any penalty should be purely financial. I see the punishment imposed as hurting the innocent fans who go for the pleasure and camaraderie of following your club. If they are going to do anything, hurt the club In the pocket, not the fans.
Unlike the situation when Liverpool were banned, the fans suffered (and yes I appreciate that other English fans suffered unnecessarily because of Liverpool fans) and rightly so, aswell as the club.....but here....it really does seem harsh and I agree maybe a little vindictive.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

This won’t end with CAS, because they will defer to UEFA. It’ll end in a REAL court. Football is a business and this is simple restraint of trade and an cartel oligopoly trying to close the door on another business. Hard to see this ending without tears...and I’m not talking about Sheikh Mansour. UEFA and FIFA have ALWAYS been for sale, but now the cartel may have taken one step too far.

It’s going to get interesting...

 

[mat]

This won’t end with CAS, because they will defer to UEFA. It’ll end in a REAL court. Football is a business and this is simple restraint of trade and an cartel oligopoly trying to close the door on another business. Hard to see this ending without tears...and I’m not talking about Sheikh Mansour. UEFA and FIFA have ALWAYS been for sale, but now the cartel may have taken one step too far.

It’s going to get interesting...

This is where CFG will come into play.

 

[mike1923]

Can’t wait for the court case

Where’s your source? Errr he’s currently in jail on charges of blackmailing a football club

Ok where’s your evidence from?

Stolen emails your honour

Stolen emails are not permittable evidence. What else do you have?

We present David Gill your honour

Get the fuck out of my courtroom

 

[mike1923]

If city won the UCL this season would they be allowed to compete in the FIFA club world cup?

Depends on the definition of when the season ends. Best case scenario UEFA say you play the games and City say go and fuck yourself

Seem to remember Joe Royle suing us and his argument was when did the season end? City said we were relegated when the final whistle of the season blew and he thought otherwise

 

[BosnianBlue]

Our owner is not ridiculously powerful except in his country. He is wealthy but politically he has few allies which is why City fans should not be too reliant on the CAS or one beating FFP. Regulation of big money is popular.

UAE has lot of political allies. Most of the big ones are it's allies. Beside Israel and maybe Vatican, there's no as little country to hold as much power and influence as they do. They're players.

They're up against powerful enemies here though. They have monies too and football tribalry (does this word even exist?) should never be underestimated. We're under attack by clubs who have billions fans worldwide, there are delaneys and harrises in any profession.