UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Blue Hefner]

So they admit to having examined our 200 page submission.

Good point. Let’s say they have or haven’t, is either good or bad?

 

[ctid1894]

I’d enquire as to whether they enjoy sex and travel.

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Are you talking swing travel? Oh wrong forum, as you were...

 

[Roachy]

Are UEFA allowed to bring new evidence at the appeal stage? The appeal is based on the (apparently) independent ruling based on the evidence that UEFA presented. Surely City would have access to all documents and not withstanding an oversight will have intimate knowledge of the evidence and arguments which UEFA put forward?

In addition, it doesn’t look like City (at this stage) are interested in debating the details of the allegations. City seem to be interested in appealing the process. They’ve already had a go at the confidentiality issue which was dismissed but are now looking into statute of limitations and the existing settlement agreement with associated audits which allowed them to exit the settlement regime

That is all documented in the CAS judgement from last year

That is exactly my point. Most of us on here are relatively clueless about all the ins and outs let's be honest. However, I'm sure City not only want to attack the whole UEFA process surrounding this matter, but will also want to completely refute the accusations that have created it. I think there will be 0% scope for UEFA to submit anything different to what is already in question.

 

[chedinho]

Haven’t spoke much on the forum, certainly not in a while but agree with all the sentiments.

Why the faux outrage? Why have Chelsea never received such visceral hatred, this despite their owner pumping millions in to the club, owing at least £1bn to him?

Do folk forget how poor the EPL would be if not for City and Chelsea? It would have been a procession for Man United over the last 20 years if not for these clubs.

Given the latter reason, I can’t see the league really caring all that much, nor do I think they would strip us. They know the EPL relies on money and competition for the lucrative television rights and what makes the EPL unique and sellable.

Chelsea did get a lot of grief from the media. At least till we arrived. And now they are accepted.
Most neutral fans were happy they stopped Utd from dominating the league especially us.

The fact that platini couldn’t implement ffp unless Chelsea agreed to it and duly did annoys me.
They should get slated for that.

 

[squirtyflower]

Please don’t insult my intelligence. I’ve agreed with @SebastianBlue to leave it there and suggest you do too.

From Wikipedia "Syed was born in Reading, Berkshire. His father, Abbas Syed, is a Pakistani immigrant to Britain who converted from Shia Islam to Christianity, and his mother is Welsh." - please check sources before you make claims of racism.

Well you must have seen this as you liked it.

 

[bluemoon32]

I can't see City being stupid either mate......We must have summat.

Hope so mate

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Good point. Let’s say they have or haven’t, is either good or bad?

Haven't suits the "not following due process" argument, have throws up a plethora of intriguing questions because City think it's watertight yet UEFA have reached a different conclusion...

So either they're lying about analysing it, or Pandora's box has been opened because 2 sides have reached wildly different conclusions from the same evidence.

 

[Blue Hefner]

What you say is correct, This snippet from the article by the lawyer says just that

“Article 37 of those rules must apply and a 5 year limitation period applies. Therefore, UEFA’s own rules state that, in effect, only breaches that occurred after 15 May 2014 (at the latest) are liable for “prosecution” by UEFA. Any acts, and therefore breaches, before that date are expressly time barred. It is therefore odd and surprising that UEFA refer to 2012 in their announcement at all.”

The more this drags on the more it seems that UEFA have tried to rush this through whilst being pushed by certain representatives of certain clubs

This is also a concern, though. UEFA must know this so maybe they are trying to re-try the original case on the strength of something not in the public domain??

 

[BoyataIsGod]

its quite hard to pass comment on a topic in which very few of us have a qualified insight into. However the whole FFP saga and the punishments that go with it are completely adverse to pretty much any other industry on the planet. I never thought i would say it but Gary Neville has just hit the nail on the head, there is no other circumstance whereby a business owner can't invest into business having proven the ability to financially support it.

The clubs sign up to the rules when they agree to take part which is more of a token gesture, should those rules be held up to scrutiny within an appropriate court of law they surely fall foul of every anti-competitive / Monopoly led legislation in which you see tons of other businesses get fined for each year for attempting to fix. The idea that the same clubs get to compete at the top table each year due to the fact that they had already invested millions in the clubs before the rules were implemented is totally ridiculous. i hope and believe that the club will go through the courts with this and eventually win out provoking a complete overhaul of FFP rules and what it should actually be trying to prevent i.e those clubs who can't prove the ability to fund their current models by the wealth of their owner or current club income etc getting punished.

 

[paulchapo]

Didn’t take Arsene WANKER long to throw his two pennies worth in

Neville's at it now as well.

 

[sir baconface]

Well you must have seen this as you liked it.

I liked it because it showed up your original post as bollocks. You said Syed was a middle class white man and took that as licence to go off on a rant about racism.

Now, do you want to accept your colleague @SebastianBlue ‘s request to drop it or continue making a twat of yourself?

And don’t pull the mod card if indeed you are one.

 

[blueballs84]

Gotta love all these journo's and talking heads who constantly slam UEFA now lining up to give them a good ol' rimming.

I knew the media hated us but I underestimated the ferocity with which they do.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I've just heard than **** Simon Jordan on the radio with Sean Custis, sports editor at Sun.

According to Jordan we have falsified broadcasting revenue for the Champions League this year.

"There's no way City can earn £88m and more than Liverpool did for winning it."

I want City to bury this twat.

The broadcasting revenue is the revenue, we don't have a say in it.

The dumb fuck chooses to ignore we got a bigger share of the pool as champions of England.

 

[WRicko]

Right - here is my opinion.

Firstly - if Man City have messed up (and deceived us fans by lying about it) we should just accept the 2 year ban and move on.

However, if that is not the case we should be actively engaging the support of the other big English (and Scottish clubs) to really f**k up UEFA. It is sad to see the likes of Sheff Utd. and Man Utd. getting excited about the possibility of getting into the Champions League by finishing 5th for f**ks sake. All the British clubs should act together: what would happen to the EL and the Champions League if in solidarity with MCFC all the other British clubs withdrew from those tournements? They would be totally bollox*d up, that's what.

(P.S. I read comments here talking about taking things through all levels of the legal system including the European Court - what is the point of that, post-Brexit, we can't on the one hand take back control, then when we need to, go crawling back to the Euro Legal system - that's daft).

City did not vote for Brexit

CFG has shares in a club that is still in the EU

UEFA is a European organisation governed by Swiss and EU law the clubs that take part are mostly governed by EU law or a system that is heavily influenced by EU law through agreements between their country and the EU. Unless the UK has no deal with the EU it to will sign up to basic EU rules on competition law workers rights etc.

I think you either do not understand these matter or are bringing your political bias into it or both

 

[chedinho]

I do wonder if this is purely an act of spite by UEFA knowing it won’t stand up in an independent review. A bit like the Trump impeachment, the Democrats knew they didn’t have the numbers in the Senate but decided to fuck him over anyway. I also wonder if the two year ban is to give CAS leeway to reduce to one year and so satisfy the cartel members and let City feel they have slightly salvaged a disastrous situation.

That’s not salvaging a disastrous situation.
Why didn’t uefa give us a twenty year ban if cas are going to halve it.

We were unhappy with the original fine. And now they have come back to hammer it home.

we won’t accept that.

 

[paulchapo]

Gotta love all these journo's and talking heads who constantly slam UEFA now lining up to give them a good ol' rimming.

I knew the media hated us but I underestimated the ferocity with which they do.

Bloody hell how could you underestimate that? Their sneering attacks have been relentless for years now. If we win this battle those bastards should be next.

 

[blueballs84]

The longer I think about it, the more I think that UEFA have thrown the kitchen sink at us knowing that we are going to appeal anyway and they are hoping that something sticks. The more they throw, the more chance CAS will atleast uphold some portion of the verdict and they can call it a victory.

I think it is incredibly unlikely that we'll serve a 2 seasons ban, 1 season may be a distinct possibility but throwing every charge possible at us with the harshest penalties is a deliberate legal attempt to move the goalposts if it comes down to negotiating or arbitrating some sort of settlement.

Of course it also has the positive side effect (from UEFA's point of view) of disrupting our season to the maximum amount because of the effect it could have on the mentality of our players, staff and supporters.

Our owner could buy UEFA 4 times over with change to spare. I hope he sends the fu kers bankrupt.

 

[inchy14]

its quite hard to pass comment on a topic in which very few of us have a qualified insight into. However the whole FFP saga and the punishments that go with it are completely adverse to pretty much any other industry on the planet. I never thought i would say it but Gary Neville has just hit the nail on the head, there is no other circumstance whereby a business owner can't invest into business having proven the ability to financially support it.

The clubs sign up to the rules when they agree to take part which is more of a token gesture, should those rules be held up to scrutiny within an appropriate court of law they surely fall foul of every anti-competitive / Monopoly led legislation in which you see tons of other businesses get fined for each year for attempting to fix. The idea that the same clubs get to compete at the top table each year due to the fact that they had already invested millions in the clubs before the rules were implemented is totally ridiculous. i hope and believe that the club will go through the courts with this and eventually win out provoking a complete overhaul of FFP rules and what it should actually be trying to prevent i.e those clubs who can't prove the ability to fund their current models by the wealth of their owner or current club income etc getting punished.

whats Neville said?

 

[CC1]

My worry is that the UEFA AC is independent & the Chairman - José da Cunha Rodrigues - is also independent yet has decided to condone this decision on our actions! Why then, are some people so sure we’ll convince CAS otherwise?

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

I've just heard than **** Simon Jordan on the radio with Sean Custis, sports editor at Sun.

According to Jordan we have falsified broadcasting revenue for the Champions League this year.

"There's no way City can earn £88m and more than Liverpool did for winning it."

I want City to bury this twat.

The broadcasting revenue is the revenue, we don't have a say in it.

The dumb fuck chooses to ignore we got a bigger share of the pool as champions of England.

this is why we get so pissed off, the continuous attacks on our club by biased idiots...is this not something that someone at the club can deal with or does this prick word it in a way that means no action can be taken