UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[sir baconface]

Have the big words gone away now and is it safe to come back out?

This should be a felicitous time to return.

 

[petrusha]

Simon Cliff - not a City employee one of our lawyers. We should sue him.

Wasn't it Simon Pearce a City board member

My employer's now suddenly making me do actual work, the miserable bastards, so no time to go back and see what was said before this.

Cliff's the senior in-house lawyer, and thus an employee, of CFG: https://www.cityfootballgroup.com/our-business/leadership-team/ - he was the one who made the crack, when Dehaene died, about 'one down, six to go'.

Pearce's most infamous statement in all this was: 'We do what we want'.

It's no especially edifying to read and has been seized on by our enemies. They were stupid to commit such stuff to email. Of course, I condemn it.

But given the volume of material that was purportedly available and the sophistication of the software they used to search through it, it's not as bad as it could be. I suspect if almost any club's electronic records were purloined and examined in the same way, you'd find stuff that's just as bad and in a lot of cases there'd be much worse.

I'm assuming here that there isn't more material on us that's being held back and is waiting to be used. I think they'd have released it already if it were available, in an attempt to bury us for good.

 

[BlueTG]

Just a quick, relatively unrelated question.

If Sheik can’t own the company Eithad for them to sponsor us (like claimed), how can the Red Bull teams function?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Have the big words gone away now and is it safe to come back out?

We of a less pusillanimous disposition were quite enjoying the braggadocio.

 

[KS55]

You and @worsleyweb and his legal team!

Madam chair, I would like the panel to examine this coat.....

 

[Kenward Garg]

we pulled out?

Yep. Don’t quote me on this but something to do with a change in the clause.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

An idiom surely?

Wouldn't it need an "it's a" in front of it to be idiomatic?

 

[bobmcfc]

who is the third accused person and why were fifa so desperate to get the case dropped

 

[Keeper!]

Souness was brave with his 'cabal' trying to stop City considering one of the cabal is lfc.

Souness is not brave, just a very honest and thoughtful man.

 

[manimanc]

Just a quick, relatively unrelated question.

If Sheik can’t own the company Eithad for them to sponsor us (like claimed), how can the Red Bull teams function?

Because they have wings...

 

[Kenward Garg]

I’ve not seen the Rabin tweet.

I will see if I can find it. Cheers

 

[KS55]

Just a quick, relatively unrelated question.

If Sheik can’t own the company Eithad for them to sponsor us (like claimed), how can the Red Bull teams function?

They persuaded UEFA that they were really only sponsors and did not exercise meaningful control.

 

[SilverFox2]

VFL Wolfsburg are the sporting club of Volkswagen GmBH the professional football club is wholly owned subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group the funding is somewhat restricted by the Group's supervisory board The emissions scandal is totally not connected in any way to the football A timely reminder is VW Groups involvement with Bayern Audi AG are a major sponsor and through that sponsorship have a supervisory board member Dr Herbert Diess the CEO of Group Until recently also Rupert Stadler former Audi CEO who has been charged with fraud by German investigators
The Bayern Supervisory board contains members of some of the largest companies in Germany through their sponsorship of the club Allianz, UniCredit Bank, Deutsche Telekom, Borse Uli Hoeness convicted tax fraudist is still deputy chairman The current chairman is former CEO of Addidas

Of course the emissions scandal is unconnected to football, most good coincidences are I am informed by this forum.

 

[Keeper!]

All quiet on the Western front, the media had their four days of fun now they're bored. Or have the fuckers had a few words from City, and are backing off a bit?

The latter I would say, and by now they are probably aware there is 99% chance the ban will be crushed and City lawyers issuing slander and libel suits following.

 

[BlueTG]

They persuaded UEFA that they were really only sponsors and did not exercise meaningful control.

In UEFA’s terms; persuasion = €€€€ envelopes.

 

[journolud]

Again, I can't agree. It acts as a legitimate intensifier, emphasising the coincidental nature of the event at a time when some posters are hinting that there may be elements of Abu Dhabi design behind it. ;)

Bugger the trumped up charges against us, this is the real substance of the debate

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Madam chair, I would like the panel to examine this coat.....

Exhibit WW!

 

[Cobwebcat]

Just a quick, relatively unrelated question.

If Sheik can’t own the company Eithad for them to sponsor us (like claimed), how can the Red Bull teams function?

Leipzig owned Salzburg sponsored

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

My employer's now suddenly making me do actual work, the miserable bastards, so no time to go back and see what was said before this.

Cliff's the senior in-house lawyer, and thus an employee, of CFG: https://www.cityfootballgroup.com/our-business/leadership-team/ - he was the one who made the crack, when Dehaene died, about 'one down, six to go'.

Pearce's most infamous statement in all this was: 'We do what we want'.

It's no especially edifying to read and has been seized on by our enemies. They were stupid to commit such stuff to email. Of course, I condemn it.

But given the volume of material that was purportedly available and the sophistication of the software they used to search through it, it's not as bad as it could be. I suspect if almost any club's electronic records were purloined and examined in the same way, you'd find stuff that's just as bad and in a lot of cases there'd be much worse.

I'm assuming here that there isn't more material on us that's being held back and is waiting to be used. I think they'd have released it already if it were available, in an attempt to bury us for good.

Yep - as you say, the tone and content of those messages makes for pretty ugly reading, and does us no favours both in terms of how our club is perceived right now, and how we will be perceived long term. Not to mention unfavourably colouring the optics of this story and general perceptions of our behaviour through this whole process. It was reckless and distasteful to communicate like this over email, and we are rightly being condemned for it.

But let's be honest - if that's as bad as it got, I doubt there are many organisations (within football or within any business, frankly) who would like to state with any confidence they don't have similar (if not worse) communications lurking in the dark corners of their servers in relation to particularly challenging individuals or situations their company has experienced.

 

[Lee won pen]

UEFA slowly unravelling before our very eyes.

It wouldn't surprise me if they're on the phone to soriano right now saying all charges dropped and grovelling to us because I truly believe we've got similar evidence to what has just been exposed at PSG.

And our reply will, would and should be fuck you.

maybe, just maybe we have provided said evidence?