UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[chaddblue]

I particularly enjoyed this little separate two par jab in Martin Samuel's Daily Mail column today...

When Manchester City were banned by UEFA there was much excitement that Sheffield United might get into the Champions League. And, yes, it would have been marvellous. Have a look at fifth place now, though. You didn't really think David Gill put all those hours in at UEFA so they could catch a break at Bramhall Lane, did you?

Nail. Head.

And as if by magic, as soon as a sniff of a CL
place via 5th place turns up.. they suddenly have VAR looking after them left right and centre

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

@Bandofblues

Answer me a question:
Why exactly is owner investment bad?
It is not inherently bad
Despite your recent successes, despite the good for Manchester and other areas of the UK game, your face does not fit and you are not welcome to the club it seems.
FFP, the new Copenhagen model for CL are all mechanisms to persist the status quo, the Copenhagen one may actually work, as Juves’ was way too obvious, although how the Copenhagen one will effect you folks I do not know.

If it is tiny compensation, if your face does not fit, we (Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd!!) do not even have a face at which to sneer.

If they get away with this against us, you can forget about yourselves Wolves or Sheffield ever being anything other than patronised also rans.
I don’t think there’s a City fan on here doesn’t totally trust that the owners are being honest with us and as transparent as they can be at the moment.
That doesn’t mean that we think we’ll win. We don’t regard compromise as a win. We compromised back in 2014 when we felt we had been had, but they are back with the same period and accusation on the evidence of hacked emails, which we say we have absolute proof that they are taken out of context and the audited accounts prove it, irrefutably.

So we know what we’re up against and have put our neck on the block. We prove innocence or nothing.
That’s conviction but City fans find it hard to think beyond being screwed again by malignant forces in football.

 

[Len Rum]

No one knows the details of what we’ve been charged with other than “committed serious breaches of FFP by overstating sponsorship in submissions to UEFA between 2012 and 2016”.
UEFA won’t comment until it is through CAS and neither will city, so until that happens everyone is guessing. We won’t have a conclusion until the summer at the earliest so that is a long time to wait blues and until then we will be assumed to be guilty unfortunately.
I want to know what CAS can do and what options we actually have available. Anyone that does know, please say.
Can CAS re-hear our initial FFP case and re-judge our guilt? I.e. superceding UEFAs sanction. Which allows us to make our case for our compliance and ensure all relevant evidence is seen.
Or, will they only consider whether the UEFA sanction is lawful and/or appropriate? Which means we can’t present our evidence for compliance, but need to argue that UEFA did not follow due process, ignored evidence etc.
Feel like if we are innocent of the accusations, the second type of legal case is significantly less likely to be successful.

Watch Cheesy's blog with @Prestwich_Blue .
PB reckoned ( much to Cheesy's surprise and dismay) that we had a stronger case under process than 'lawfulness' of sanction.
Who knows.
I don't.

 

[Bald fraud]

1 - We are not part of the 'iiiiiiiiiistory boys club
2 - Our owners are not American
3 - Our owners are brown

How close did I get?

Spot on

 

[johnnytapia]

We, as supporters, do have to couch come of the harsher criticism?

I can tell you they are no worse than many football PR departments in some respects. It's personal to us as we do exist in the City vacuum.

United's is horrific.

You can't polish a turd.

 

[Gordyola]

He has now. He used to have a Rolex on it until it was ripped from him!

Rolex? Nothing as cheaper as that! Jordan was wearing a £127,000 Franck Muller Diamond encrusted Conquistador

 

[ganganvince]

Rolex? Nothing as cheaper as that! Jordan was wearing a £127,000 Franck Muller Diamond encrusted Conquistador

Fully insured?

 

[BringBackSwales]

And as if by magic, as soon as a sniff of a CL
place via 5th place turns up.. they suddenly have VAR looking after them left right and centre

To be fair I think var was already looking after them

 

[chris63]

 

[Marvin]

Media in a bubble of their own:

You know where this is from: "There are supporters who feel that the club might have broken the rules and they are ready to accept the consequences. It is just that these fans are mostly not on social media."

 

[trotsky]

The cleverest thing UEFA did was to use George Orwell's vision of the future as their template. As we've already seen they adopted "all teams are equal, but some are more equal than others. And the term 'Financial Fair Play' could have been invented by the Ministry of Truth. City breaking 'fair play' rules makes us bad, them good. If the rules were called what they are -'Elite Protectionism' - then City trying to find a way around protectionist rules make us sound like the hero of the piece. Unfortunately the sheep will believe what they are told. We really need to fight harder to get our side of the story into the public domain.

 

[Proy]

The cleverest thing UEFA did was to use George Orwell's vision of the future as their template. As we've already seen they adopted "all teams are equal, but some are more equal than others. And the term 'Financial Fair Play' could have been invented by the Ministry of Truth. City breaking 'fair play' rules makes us bad, them good. If the rules were called what they are -'Elite Protectionism' - then City trying to find a way around protectionist rules make us sound like the hero of the piece. Unfortunately the sheep will believe what they are told. We really need to fight harder to get our side of the story into the public domain.

Getting our side of the story into the public domain would be suicide at this point. We are in the middle of one of the biggest legal battles the sport will see.

I'd also argue that keeping our counsel was also the best strategy even before this verdict was delivered. We rarely play out in public, we keep most things in house and that will play a part in the upcoming court appearances.

It can be perceived as soft, in fact it has been. All we ever tried to do is get along with people. Be that UEFA, the media or other football clubs. We have done this whilst building a solid enterprise and not rocking the boat in any way or form.

I like that about us. I think it's an asset.

 

[Marvin]

Would you expect CAS to ackowledge City's appeal or to announce when it had been received?

I would. Nothing been said yet? Odd?

I want to know if CAS are going to set the sanction aside in the interim, or whethet they are going to fast-track the case so that a determination is made before next season's Champions League.

 

[mikemcfc]

Better Call Saul.

 

[lancs blue]

The cleverest thing UEFA did was to use George Orwell's vision of the future as their template. As we've already seen they adopted "all teams are equal, but some are more equal than others. And the term 'Financial Fair Play' could have been invented by the Ministry of Truth. City breaking 'fair play' rules makes us bad, them good. If the rules were called what they are -'Elite Protectionism' - then City trying to find a way around protectionist rules make us sound like the hero of the piece. Unfortunately the sheep will believe what they are told. We really need to fight harder to get our side of the story into the public domain.

I agree with you apart from that last sentence, as has already been posted we have to restrain our public comments/briefings pending the appeal hearing.

 

[its grim up north]

Had to laugh at the suggestion FFP for legal teams. We would end up with Hot Air and Bluster. Solictors, Co. from a shady office in Cheetham Hill or somewhere.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

I agree with you apart from that last sentence, as has already been posted we have to restrain our public comments/briefings pending the appeal hearing.

Nope. What @trotsky says ..in the last line .is so basic,and so true. ..there is no need for restraint.Shout it from the rooftops ffs!

 

[Coatigan]

Would you expect CAS to ackowledge City's appeal or to announce when it had been received?

I would. Nothing been said yet? Odd?

I want to know if CAS are going to set the sanction aside in the interim, or whethet they are going to fast-track the case so that a determination is made before next season's Champions League.

I would, if im honest, at the very least expect our media to be all over it, the appeal being confirmed lodged. Headlines like, what does it mean for 5th place, utd, or wolves. Or, city to delay relegation, or PL made to wait to strip city of titles. As you say, a little bit odd, that it is quiet.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Media in a bubble of their own:

You know where this is from: "There are supporters who feel that the club might have broken the rules and they are ready to accept the consequences. It is just that these fans are mostly not on social media."

They mostly work at the graunaid!!

 

[chocovla]

Media in a bubble of their own:

You know where this is from: "There are supporters who feel that the club might have broken the rules and they are ready to accept the consequences. It is just that these fans are mostly not on social media."

David Conn is allowed to use majestic plural?