UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Marvin said:
Literally only a handful of fans outside of Manchester City know how UEFA moved the goalposts in the first review. We blame journalists. After all, if City fans can find this information, then financial journalists can, and they can read blogs like https://boltfromtheblue.live/2018/11/18/how-uefa-shifted-the-goalposts-to-shaft-man-city/ . However, City could have forced them to respond by issuing statements highlighting our concerns. I am not particularly interested in engaging with hostile agents for the sake of it, but at the moment we have the national media vs Manchester City fans and naturally your average football fan sees City fans as biased. 'Well you would say that wouldn't you?"

Media bias is a given but the enemy guns range all over the battlefield whilst ours remain silent. It matters. Decisions the like of which CAS will make are not made in a vacuum. Organisations like the Premier League will come under pressure by other clubs seeking advantage. City don't want to fight. They believe we will get justice and they shouldn't have to and don't have to explain what City have done. Mistake, and a very big one.

If I were City I'd make our position public, and make a point by point chronological account of the context of this dispute which we have referenced but never detailed. I suspect City's case is indeed irrefutable but you have to make it because our enemies make their case every day for a reason.
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I don't believe the evidence we have supporting our case should be released at this point as it may not be necessary.
What we should most certainly do is make it clear that if we are not found in favour of through CAS we will release all the relevant documentation into the public domain.
Some may see this as putting pressure on CAS but such has been the ferocity of the attacks on us this is most definitely justified.
Hopefully if we are cleared we should consider targeting legally those who have besmirched our name.
 
I'd love for everything to come out in public, both sides warts and all. Then if we're found to have done something wrong so be it.

Don't think it will happen at CAS (suspect most of it will be out of the public domain and focussed on the current investigation/penalty).

But if we lose and take it further there won't be much about UEFA we won't find out. Could take years but would be great for their dirty little secrets to come out.
 
moomba said:
I'd love for everything to v
Come in public, both sides warts and all. Then if we're found to have done something wrong so be it.

Don't think it will happen at CAS (suspect most of it will be out of the public domain). But if we lose and take it further there won't be much about UEFA we won't find out. Could take years but would be great for their dirty little secrets to come out.
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Would absolutely love Uefa’s and Premier league’s secrets to be out one day.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
City were always going to fail in 2014. They hoped to be close enough to not get a heavy sanction.
The goalpost/toolkit move meant City missed by a lot more.

I'm not sure why it's relevant to the current case though.
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Im not sure it’ll play out in the confines of the CAS case but in an wider proceedings I’m sure City will try to say that UEFA has executed it’s governance ‘perversely’ in order to exclude some clubs from the top table. UEFA cannot simply take instructions from the G14 clubs to design a set of rules to exclude us and when they don’t look like working - update them at the last minute after we’ve submitted our accounts.
 
nmc said:
Im not sure it’ll play out in the confines of the CAS case but in an wider proceedings I’m sure City will try to say that UEFA has executed it’s governance ‘perversely’ in order to exclude some clubs from the top table. UEFA cannot simply take instructions from the G14 clubs to design a set of rules to exclude us and when they don’t look like working - update them at the last minute after we’ve submitted our accounts.
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Good luck in proving that chain of action.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Good luck in proving that chain of action.
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No luck needed, it’s now time for the legal team to prove the illegality of UEFA actions clearly showing a timeline which shows how City have been targeted.

I trust the legal team that have been put in place and the evidence our CEO and Chairman say we have will prevail in what is a court of law and we have employed them for their expertise and not reliance on ‘luck’.
 
SilvaisSkyBlue said:
No luck needed, it’s now time for the legal team to prove the illegality of UEFA actions clearly showing a timeline which shows how City have been targeted.

I trust the legal team that have been put in place and the evidence our CEO and Chairman say we have will prevail in what is a court of law and we have employed them for their expertise and not reliance on ‘luck’.
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Why did it fail vs UEFA at the Adjudicatory Chamber then? We don't know the details but we have allowed ourselves to be seen as the villain whilst the likes of Tebas, LFC and MUFC pull all kinds of strings, many leading to their minions in the media. I don't mind being seen as the villain in a sporting contest but we are now going into a legal case to be determined by people who do not go into the court room with a blank slate. They go in there with preconceived ideas of the Sheikh and football regulation.
 
Marvin said:
Why did it fail vs UEFA at the Adjudicatory Chamber then? We don't know the details but we have allowed ourselves to be seen as the villain whilst the likes of Tebas, LFC and MUFC pull all kinds of strings, many leading to their minions in the media. I don't mind being seen as the villain in a sporting contest but we are now going into a legal case to be determined by people who do not go into the court room with a blank slate. They go in there with preconceived ideas of the Sheikh and football regulation.
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Don’t really understand your post, it’s obvious why it failed at the AC, and CAS is a court not a extra stage for UEFA to enforce their lies, so I will trust the actual legal team put together until proven otherwise.
 
seems Infantino and FIFA are looking to secure the funding for the proposed FIFA Club World Cup to get underway - the plan is obvious that FIFA want to create a global club tournament that will rival the the CL

Infantino has apparently hired a US firm, The Raine Group, to try and secure $1bn funding in order to make the competition viable

also, this is a snippet of the article regarding another proposed tournament which is US led :-

'clubs are taking advantage of the tensions. As well as talking to FIFA about the quadrennial World Cup, Europe’s biggest teams have also met with the American billionaire Stephen M. Ross, who is seeking to get them to commit more formally to an annual preseason tournament. Ross’s company, Relevent Sports Group, has held talks with both UEFA and FIFA about securing their backing for an annual event in which participating clubs could secure about $10 million per tournament and an equity stake, provided they commit to several editions of the competition.'

That last paragraph regarding the US based tournament could be interesting in regards to the US v Middle East battle for supremacy, you can bet your life that the like of John W Henry would want assurances that his investment reaps maximum award
 
SilvaisSkyBlue said:
No luck needed, it’s now time for the legal team to prove the illegality of UEFA actions clearly showing a timeline which shows how City have been targeted.

I trust the legal team that have been put in place and the evidence our CEO and Chairman say we have will prevail in what is a court of law and we have employed them for their expertise and not reliance on ‘luck’.
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I don't think any of that is much to do with the case in question. What went on in 2014 doesn't match what appears to be the substance of the current charge.

'Illegality' strikes me as being a pejorative term; the legal case will almost certainly be against failure of process, and unjustifiable outcome. CAS doesn't have obvious jurisdiction on FFP as a whole.
 
razman said:
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And CAS officially:
https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785.pdf

"Lausanne, 26 February 2020 - The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has registered an appeal filed by Manchester City football club against the Union of European Football Associations (UEFA).

The appeal is directed against the decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) dated 14 February 2020 in which Manchester City was deemed to have contravened UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations and sanctioned with exclusion from the next two seasons of UEFA club competitions for which the club would qualify and ordered to pay a fine of EUR 30 million.

Generally speaking, CAS appeal arbitration procedures involve an exchange of written submissions between the parties while a Panel of CAS arbitrators is being convened. Once the Panel has been formally constituted it issues procedural directions, including, inter alia, with respect to the holding of a hearing. Following the hearing, the Panel deliberates and then issues its decision in the form of an Arbitral Award.

It is not possible to indicate at this time when a final award in this matter will be issued."
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
seems Infantino and FIFA are looking to secure the funding for the proposed FIFA Club World Cup to get underway - the plan is obvious that FIFA want to create a global club tournament that will rival the the CL

Infantino has apparently hired a US firm, The Raine Group, to try and secure $1bn funding in order to make the competition viable

also, this is a snippet of the article regarding another proposed tournament which is US led :-

'clubs are taking advantage of the tensions. As well as talking to FIFA about the quadrennial World Cup, Europe’s biggest teams have also met with the American billionaire Stephen M. Ross, who is seeking to get them to commit more formally to an annual preseason tournament. Ross’s company, Relevent Sports Group, has held talks with both UEFA and FIFA about securing their backing for an annual event in which participating clubs could secure about $10 million per tournament and an equity stake, provided they commit to several editions of the competition.'

That last paragraph regarding the US based tournament could be interesting in regards to the US v Middle East battle for supremacy, you can bet your life that the like of John W Henry would want assurances that his investment reaps maximum award
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No doubt American owners will want a closed tournament of the same participants year after year - no risks and top dollar.
 
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