UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[BlueRockape]

The stupid thing is most supporters I speak to are also sick of this and think it is totally unjust.
So in who's name is this being driven

 

[Coatigan]

i don't find it so surprising, that, if we are accused of submitting wrong information in our accounts, the PL would re-examine that information and see if it complied with the rules at the time which we claimed it did.
There is logic in that.

The likelyhood of that being a breach though is maybe less, as PL thresholds are higher, so we may comply even if they 'adjust' the figures to however they (and cas who will set the precedent) interpret the accounts.
Even then, depending on the cas outcome, even if we comply with PLs thresholds, but we are deemed to have intentionally submitted false information, is there grounds for punishment for doing that?
It is complex, and the big thing is the cas verdict.

What i don't get is linking separate investigations to that though, which i thought were looked at already anyway, like the youth academy one.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Anybody else think City should just win the CL then melt down the trophy and make rings for everybody and tell UEFA to fuck off and that they'll never play in their competitions again?

I'd be delighted to win it (not sure we will be allowed to), don't collect the trophy and retire from the competition indefinitely until we are cleared of any wrong doing and full scale apology from all parties (yes G14 tw@ts that means you too).

I'd be more than happy to just remain 'undefeated' European Champions - anyone who wins it after that is basically installed as 'interim' champion like in boxing which everybody quite rightly dis-credits as they have never beaten the holder of the belts.

Granted I am very aware the club would not be in favour of this due to the drop in turnover but hey ho......

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

These scumbags won’t leave no stone unturned until they can find something they can pin on us it’s just getting beyond a joke now!

It's like a VAR review of one of our goals........ ;-)

 

[JPAMCR]

Ta. We just need to know where the dum dums are now!

BT Sport punditry panel

 

[Coatigan]

The stupid thing is most supporters I speak to are also sick of this and think it is totally unjust.
So in who's name is this being driven

Do you really think that? you might be lucky with the ones you've encountered, from my own experience, most are quite happy to just jump to beleiving it all, labling the club cheats and wanting to see punishments given.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Do you really think that? you might be lucky with the ones you've encountered, from my own experience, most are quite happy to just jump to beleiving it all, labling the club cheats and wanting to see punishments given.

Most people I’ve spoken to about it are broadly sympathetic, although I haven’t discussed it with any Liverpool or united fans tbf!

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Most people I’ve spoken to about it are broadly sympathetic, although I haven’t discussed it with any Liverpool or united fans tbf!

Ahh - the footballing voices of reason.........

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Ahh - the footballing voices of reason.........

Hence why I haven’t discussed it with any of them!

 

[give it to gordon]

Most people I’ve spoken to about it are broadly sympathetic, although I haven’t discussed it with any Liverpool or united fans tbf!

agree with you I think now that rival fans have had time to take it what has happen to City now realise, that it means no one can buy their clubs and invest. Why would anyone buy say Newcastle when you cant invest to try and make them one of the best around ?. The only 'fans' that are 100% in agreement with UEFA are livarpool and utd , the G14 clubs. I really hope City have something good on the dippers and are binding our time

 

[Saddleworth2]

i don't find it so surprising, that, if we are accused of submitting wrong information in our accounts, the PL would re-examine that information and see if it complied with the rules at the time which we claimed it did.
There is logic in that.

The likelyhood of that being a breach though is maybe less, as PL thresholds are higher, so we may comply even if they 'adjust' the figures to however they (and cas who will set the precedent) interpret the accounts.
Even then, depending on the cas outcome, even if we comply with PLs thresholds, but we are deemed to have intentionally submitted false information, is there grounds for punishment for doing that?
It is complex, and the big thing is the cas verdict.

What i don't get is linking separate investigations to that though, which i thought were looked at already anyway, like the youth academy one.

the other thing that doesn't make sense is that how can the PL review 'wrong' information when that 'wrong' information is not in the public domain. Unless UEFA have already provided their assessment to the PL.....
It just feels like a concerted witch hunt.
Surely the correct sequence of events would be to await the outcome of the CAS appeal. Then based on the facts that are established by that determine whether a review is required by the PL.

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

spanishblue. You will know by whom it is being driven. It's none other that the so called big 5 of English football namely Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, and Spurs. This is only because we have broken up the so called cartel. Where what ever they propose in changing the rules is going to happen. These so called big 5 clubs hope that if they keep throwing enough of this so called mud some of it will stick.

The club has just got to paly hard ball. As there will be out there something that each of these clubs has done to break the rules of both the FA and UEFA. They have just got to keep on digging and they will find it. It may be that they have been paying the players extra money, over and above what they are entitled. Maybe something to do with transfers, ETC.

 

[Allnightlong]

the other thing that doesn't make sense is that how can the PL review 'wrong' information when that 'wrong' information is not in the public domain. Unless UEFA have already provided their assessment to the PL.....
It just feels like a concerted witch hunt.
Surely the correct sequence of events would be to await the outcome of the CAS appeal. Then based on the facts that are established by that determine whether a review is required by the PL.

should Liverpools accounts be audited as, alledgedly, the fraudalent stadium offset.

 

[CC1]

agree with you I think now that rival fans have had time to take it what has happen to City now realise, that it means no one can buy their clubs and invest. Why would anyone buy say Newcastle when you cant invest to try and make them one of the best around ?. The only 'fans' that are 100% in agreement with UEFA are livarpool and utd , the G14 clubs. I really hope City have something good on the dippers and are binding our time

But you can invest now. Rules changed - relaxed - once we became totally sustainable

 

[SilverFox2]

There is always a resolution. I don't believe we will be found guilty of anything more than not being in the spirit of things.

I agree S, however, surely spirit of things works both ways so examining why it was introduced would be more enlightening.

 

[SilverFox2]

Dey ain't sayin nuttin!

Thats worrying, a little bit like our owner.

 

[its grim up north]

agree with you I think now that rival fans have had time to take it what has happen to City now realise, that it means no one can buy their clubs and invest. Why would anyone buy say Newcastle when you cant invest to try and make them one of the best around ?. The only 'fans' that are 100% in agreement with UEFA are livarpool and utd , the G14 clubs. I really hope City have something good on the dippers and are binding our time

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[dickie davies]

Here's an example of what CAS can do

https://swimswam.com/olympic-champi...twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

 

[terraloon]

I believe I saw an article (maybe Daniel Geey) saying that the chairman of the CAS panel makes the ruling to suspend or uphold the initial decision (ban) during proceedings and one of the ways they make that decision is basically who they think is more likely to win on the balance of the initial written statements. Another reason is how much damage it would do to one of the parties if it were upheld, and we could make a very convincing argument that damage would be 9 figures.

Here’s CAS procedural rules. Bear in mind CAS won’t rule on a suspension of any ban unless City make an application for One



“When deciding whether to award preliminary relief, the President of the Division or the Panel, as the case may be, shall consider whether the relief is necessary to protect the applicant from irreparable harm, the likelihood of success on the merits of the claim, and whether the interests of the Applicant outweigh those of the Respondent(s).”

 

[BigBluey]

I thought CAS was an arbitration Organisation. Not sure they can sentence. It’s up to the relevant sport concerned to state the punishment and they mediate as to the merits of each case and decide whether the punishment meets the alleged crime.