COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Yes, what people are missing is the "who dies from this?" question.
It's the old or ill. So when looking at mortality rates per country you need to factor in general health and age.

Yeah, but nobody can bank on that. You could think you're healthy but have something underlying undetected.

 

[purplenose]

What's the obsession with people clearing the shelves of bog roll, it's a respiratory illness not fucking dysentery.

Pure selfishness as is all panic buying.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

even if that was true, the issue is how most people get to the ground on buses/trains/trams even in cars together, so completely illogical conclusion.

Don't believe his figure either, it's not represented in current trajectories.

The point still stands - if you stop 100k peope from going to a big event, unless you tell them to stay at home they are still going to go out and do things and interact with people.

I think you either go big and shut down everything non essential or you just accept it is going to spread. Shutting down the public transport systems would be a place to start.

Is it worth it considering how effective it would be - probbably not.

 

[Gabriel]

Yeah, but nobody can bank on that. You could think you're healthy but have something underlying undetected.

Similarly, if the situation in hospitals becomes overstretched, who receives life-saving treatment will be left to the attending physician to determine.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

People attending football matches have to queue to gain entry, climb the same stairs together, often touching the same railings, and use the same facilities (kiosks/toilet), where hygiene has never been optimal, and then you could be sat in front of someone coughing his head off and not have the option of moving elsewhere.

Especially around blocks 110 / 111!

 

[Blue Maverick]

I had that Chinese flu over the millennium new year, I was a fit 31 year old and that thing floored me if it’s anything like that for the elderly god help them

 

[Blue Llama]

Just seen a kid on a bus doing the usual kid thing, sucking the handrail. Mum oblivious on her mobile.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The point still stands - if you stop 100k peope from going to a big event, unless you tell them to stay at home they are still going to go out and do things and interact with people.

I think you either go big and shut down everything non essential or you just accept it is going to spread. Shutting down the public transport systems would be a place to start.

Is it worth it considering how effective it would be - probbably not.

it's true, how can you close down sporting events but not shopping centers ? or clubs etc

 

[ChicagoBlue]

All good stuff until you said go to ER for a test. Not sure what malarky you lot are running over there but over here the advice is to stay the hell away. Ring 111 and if they suspect you have it they'll either tell you where to go (as in which drive thru testing centre to visit) or the Hazmats will come and pick you up.

Benefits of a universal health system you see. Please spread the word over there.

All a bit overblown, mate! If I have symptoms of COVID-19 and I have it, then I have been spreading the wealth across the country for about the past two weeks! Wearing a mask to go to the ER and asking them for the test isn’t going to threaten anyone. FWIW, I have premium (union contract, $800/mo) health care, so not worried about that!

NEWSFLASH: THIS IS NOT EBOLA...ITS NOT EVEN SARS...ITS A VIRUS WITH AN ELEVATED KILL RATE OVER THE REGULAR FLU, BUT 80% OF INFECTED PATIENTS HAVE MILD TO MODERATE EFFECTS AND NO LIFE THREATENING SYMPTOMS.

Tbh, I’m more concerned about the effect on my job than I am on my health! Company stock down 40% (21% this week), flights cut, pilots taking voluntary leave, others taking 33% monthly pay cuts to stay home (probably a 25-50% pay cut coming for me from reduced schedules in April), pay increases cancelled until at least July, hiring freeze, widebody international aircraft being brought into the domestic market for transcontinental and vacation locations still showing strength, etc, etc, etc...

 

[Metal Biker]

What's the obsession with people clearing the shelves of bog roll, it's a respiratory illness not fucking dysentery.

Most bog roll comes from China, and they're not exporting for a while out of fear the stock will be contaminated.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

All a bit overblown, mate! If I have symptoms of COVID-19 and I have it, then I have been spreading the wealth across the country for about the past two weeks! Wearing a mask to go to the ER and asking them for the test isn’t going to threaten anyone. FWIW, I have premium (union contract, $800/mo) health care, so not worried about that!

NEWSFLASH: THIS IS NOT EBOLA...ITS NOT EVEN SARS...ITS A VIRUS WITH AN ELEVATED KILL RATE OVER THE REGULAR FLU, BUT 80% OF INFECTED PATIENTS HAVE MILD TO MODERATE EFFECTS AND NO LIFE THREATENING SYMPTOMS.

Tbh, I’m more concerned about the effect on my job than I am on my health! Company stock down 40% (21% this week), flights cut, pilots taking voluntary leave, others taking 33% monthly pay cuts to stay home (probably a 25-50% pay cut coming for me from reduced schedules in April), pay increases cancelled until at least July, hiring freeze, widebody international aircraft being brought into the domestic market for transcontinental and vacation locations still showing strength, etc, etc, etc...

So you have $800 PM health care. I assume that your employer pays that. What happens when you retire? Do you have to cover that with your pension?

And what happens to those who lose their jobs - do you have to start paying out straight away?

I have private healthcare here through work but beacuse we have the NHS it is not really a big issue. It just means that if i was to go into a hospital overnight then i would get to go to a nicer one. The basics of healthcare are always there.

 

[Blue Llama]

Most bog roll comes from China, and they're not exporting for a while out of fear the stock will be contaminated.

Good times for Franny ahead.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

It would be quite good to see all football games played behind closed doors and no parades going forward if only to piss off the dippers!

 

[bluebrickroad]

Most bog roll comes from China, and they're not exporting for a while out of fear the stock will be contaminated.

Could Franny Lee not help?

 

[grunge]

All a bit overblown, mate! If I have symptoms of COVID-19 and I have it, then I have been spreading the wealth across the country for about the past two weeks! Wearing a mask to go to the ER and asking them for the test isn’t going to threaten anyone. FWIW, I have premium (union contract, $800/mo) health care, so not worried about that!

NEWSFLASH: THIS IS NOT EBOLA...ITS NOT EVEN SARS...ITS A VIRUS WITH AN ELEVATED KILL RATE OVER THE REGULAR FLU, BUT 80% OF INFECTED PATIENTS HAVE MILD TO MODERATE EFFECTS AND NO LIFE THREATENING SYMPTOMS.

Tbh, I’m more concerned about the effect on my job than I am on my health! Company stock down 40% (21% this week), flights cut, pilots taking voluntary leave, others taking 33% monthly pay cuts to stay home (probably a 25-50% pay cut coming for me from reduced schedules in April), pay increases cancelled until at least July, hiring freeze, widebody international aircraft being brought into the domestic market for transcontinental and vacation locations still showing strength, etc, etc, etc...

thats the pure definition of "im alright jack". Going into an ER when you think you have it is possibly exposing an emergency room to it, its possibly exposing lots of people in a weakened state that may not be able to fight it.

Also, Yes, 80% are "mild" cases, but that is still 20% that are hospital level cases, which is going to very very quickly overwhelm medical systems.

And "an elevated kill rate over flu", Flu has a mortality rate of about 0.05%, this is currently hitting 3.5%, 70x higher.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

thats the pure definition of "im alright jack". Going into an ER when you think you have it is possibly exposing an emergency room to it, its possibly exposing lots of people in a weakened state that may not be able to fight it.

Also, Yes, 80% are "mild" cases, but that is still 20% that are hospital level cases, which is going to very very quickly overwhelm medical systems.

And "an elevated kill rate over flu", Flu has a mortality rate of about 0.05%, this is currently hitting 3.5%, 70x higher.

Think the mortality rate is probably lower as I guess there are plenty of cases not being reported as people have mild symptons and assume it is a cold etc

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

NEWSFLASH: THIS IS NOT EBOLA...ITS NOT EVEN SARS...ITS A VIRUS WITH AN ELEVATED KILL RATE OVER THE REGULAR FLU, BUT 80% OF INFECTED PATIENTS HAVE MILD TO MODERATE EFFECTS AND NO LIFE THREATENING SYMPTOMS.

This is the most important part. While 80% will have few problems it means 20% have and the mild cases have a direct impact and duty to protect what is a pretty high level of serious cases. I do hope you are proved right and it is an overreaction by everyone, including the health experts.

 

[grunge]

Think the mortality rate is probably lower as I guess there are plenty of cases not being reported as people have mild symptons and assume it is a cold etc

Yeah, the London School of medicine's models were hitting about 1% a few weeks back.

thing is, China's tests ( according to the WHO ) didn't find the iceberg when they looked on the assumption that reported cases were just the tip of the ice berg.

Mentioned in here.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/2/21161067/coronavirus-covid19-china

 

[SWP's back]

Pure selfishness as is all panic buying.

Agreed, I could only buy 72 before they’d run out yesterday. Selfish wankers

 

[purplenose]

All a bit overblown, mate! If I have symptoms of COVID-19 and I have it, then I have been spreading the wealth across the country for about the past two weeks! Wearing a mask to go to the ER and asking them for the test isn’t going to threaten anyone. FWIW, I have premium (union contract, $800/mo) health care, so not worried about that!

NEWSFLASH: THIS IS NOT EBOLA...ITS NOT EVEN SARS...ITS A VIRUS WITH AN ELEVATED KILL RATE OVER THE REGULAR FLU, BUT 80% OF INFECTED PATIENTS HAVE MILD TO MODERATE EFFECTS AND NO LIFE THREATENING SYMPTOMS.

Tbh, I’m more concerned about the effect on my job than I am on my health! Company stock down 40% (21% this week), flights cut, pilots taking voluntary leave, others taking 33% monthly pay cuts to stay home (probably a 25-50% pay cut coming for me from reduced schedules in April), pay increases cancelled until at least July, hiring freeze, widebody international aircraft being brought into the domestic market for transcontinental and vacation locations still showing strength, etc, etc, etc...

I am probably going to miss out on fulfiling an ambition in April, the chance probably wont come again. I suffer from a condition that keeps me virtually imprisoned during the winter and now it looks like I will be in the summer too....its a crock of shit mate. I am one of those who might not come out of the other end of this. Well tough shit there are lots worse off and if I miss out on a trip so be it.

Now for you given you fly you are in excellent health and have no great concerns other than maybe catching it and feeling shit for a week or two. Others are less fortunate, many are faced with the reality of gambling with their lives each time they set foot out of the door to go and buy food.

To put it bluntly attitudes like yours could quite possibly cost lives and prolong this thing beyond that pay rise in July. For you it might only be a snotty nose for millions of others it will be death.