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Exactly! He’s basically admitted they discussed how this could be used to their advantage. To even mention it shows he’s not appropriate to be PM. Whether he agrees or not is irrelevant

All possible scenarios will have been discussed that’s just the reality no matter how unpalatable some may be. But you keep most of them behind closed doors. You don’t muse over them on telly.
 
i think the thing is- all this is in the back of your mind and the problem is you get a twinge a cough or something and you will think the worse,i was bad last week with hot fushes etc but all gone now, who knows i may have had it and that might be it

I've definitely been moaning for three weeks to my wife about a scratchy throat and cough is now annoying.

As you say, might be reading too much into things, but don't want to expose wife and kids to anything like this.

In terms of not knowingly coming into contact with an infected person, this appears to be hole in the rationale from government?

My neighbours are young Chinese professionals who were in aeronautics at Manchester Uni, their curtains have been shut for days.

Spoke to him over the fence joking with him other day and said he had decided to work from home as a precaution, he is a regular traveller around Europe and China.

Yep weeks ago, the guy from Sainsbury's kindly offers to help in with our delivery shopping.

It's pissing down with rain and I thank him. Moans first day back and boasted how lucky he was to get a flight home... After skiing in Italy FFS.

I was pretty pissed about it but said nowt.

How the fuck does anybody know if they have come into contact with people who might already been infected?
 
for me the panic stations the governments over europe that they have setup are crazy and i can see rioting and looting very soon, if the uk and england follow the panic will happen faster and lock down will be even worst and the army will be called in and and people will be running riot and good luck with any laws

Quatermass in real life
 
The number of posts on this thread where people are either insinuating or outright declaring that the government is deliberately doing nothing in order to cull a proportion of the population they don't care about is more than enough reason for me
Now that’s another subject and I tend to agree. I think posting stuff like that is utter garbage and shows as much lack of thought as anything else being posted on this thread.
 
I disagree because I think we are talking at cross purposes. I'm questioning the hysterical reaction to a low level threat in comparison to known risks in society. COVID can be managed and is being managed. The day it's over 3500 people will die through RTAs and no one will blink an eye.

The number of posts on this thread where people are either insinuating or outright declaring that the government is deliberately doing nothing in order to cull a proportion of the population they don't care about is more than enough reason for me to question people thought process regarding COVID. So i'm trying to do exactly that.
I despise conspiracy theorists as well, and I agree that dumb panic reactions help no one, but as we explained this epidemic is an issue we're having right now and that should be taken seriously.
 
I disagree because I think we are talking at cross purposes. I'm questioning the hysterical reaction to a low level threat in comparison to known risks in society. COVID can be managed and is being managed. The day it's over 3500 people will die through RTAs and no one will blink an eye.

The number of posts on this thread where people are either insinuating or outright declaring that the government is deliberately doing nothing in order to cull a proportion of the population they don't care about is more than enough reason for me to question people thought process regarding COVID. So i'm trying to do exactly that.

You know China? Big place, second biggest economy, never likes to admit problems?

They shut the fucker down.

They shut down because the risk wasn’t known and unless they took action it may have overwhelmed the system as it has overwhelmed the system in North Italy. Known risks are quantifiable. Unknown risks are not. Hence the reaction.
 
I disagree because I think we are talking at cross purposes. I'm questioning the hysterical reaction to a low level threat in comparison to known risks in society. COVID can be managed and is being managed. The day it's over 3500 people will die through RTAs and no one will blink an eye.

The number of posts on this thread where people are either insinuating or outright declaring that the government is deliberately doing nothing in order to cull a proportion of the population they don't care about is more than enough reason for me to question people thought process regarding COVID. So i'm trying to do exactly that.
First, to your second point: only a few people have insinuated that and they have been rightly shouted down if it was a subtle remark or their post has been removed outright if it went the way of farcical and absolutely inappropriate arguments for “population control” or “gene pool cleansing”. I can say that with absolute confidence as we mods have been identifying, discussing, and addressing them as necessary.

To your first point: COVID-19 is not currently being “managed” in the UK, America, and a few other places, which has spurred many of the critiques in this thread, and is one of the many issues that form the basis for why your original post was indicative of the oft made false equivalence that many of us are attempting to point out to you and anyone else operating on that same thought process.

Annual RTA deaths could have have been reduced many years ago with the application of many policies and technologies available at the time. The slowness of response at various points lead to more deaths than were necessary. That is exactly why a reasonable, evidence-based, comprehensive, timely response to COVID-19 is needed. And why the current situation cannot be reasonably compared to seasonal flu or RTA deaths.

And you seem to be shifting your original point to it being about hysteria so it is *more* valid. That’s fair enough, as I do think “hysteria” is not helpful or needed, as well. But, in order to do that with credibility, you also have to admit your original post was based on a fallacy and was not really speaking to hysteria. At least, it wasn’t the way it was written.
 
Now that’s another subject and I tend to agree. I think posting stuff like that is utter garbage and shows as much lack of thought as anything else being posted on this thread.

I have to agree that a deliberate population cull is a non starter. Ridiculous.

Putting the economy before thousands of lives on the other hand is in my opinion very possible.
 
for me the panic stations the governments over europe that they have setup are crazy and i can see rioting and looting very soon, if the uk and england follow the panic will happen faster and lock down will be even worst and the army will be called in and and people will be running riot and good luck with any laws

Quatermass in real life
Lucky: [...] and the earth will stop spinning and the aliens will invade but time will tell and suffers like the divine Miranda with those who for reasons unknown but time will tell are plunged in torment plunged in fire whose fire flames if that continues and who can doubt it will fire the firmament that is to say blast hell to heaven so blue still and calm so calm with a calm which even though intermittent is better than nothing but not so fast and considering what is more that as a result of the labours left unfinished crowned by the Acacacacademy of Anthropopopometry of Essy-in-Possy of Testew [...]
 
I've definitely been moaning for three weeks to my wife about a scratchy throat and cough is now annoying.

As you say, might be reading too much into things, but don't want to expose wife and kids to anything like this.

In terms of not knowingly coming into contact with an infected person, this appears to be hole in the rationale from government?

My neighbours are young Chinese professionals who were in aeronautics at Manchester Uni, their curtains have been shut for days.

Spoke to him over the fence joking with him other day and said he had decided to work from home as a precaution, he is a regular traveller around Europe and China.

Yep weeks ago, the guy from Sainsbury's kindly offers to help in with our delivery shopping.

It's pissing down with rain and I thank him. Moans first day back and boasted how lucky he was to get a flight home... After skiing in Italy FFS.

I was pretty pissed about it but said nowt.

How the fuck does anybody know if they have come into contact with people who might already been infected?
TBH i think we just have to accept at some point someone in the family unit is going to get it, how thats dealt with is another thing, i cant see familly isolation working in a 3 bed semi with one toilet and 1 kitchen it has fail all over it IMO, were getting mixed advice from sources and what the Government is doing just does not make sense to me, i think we will see major panic when the death total starts racking up in a few weeks
 
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I think what you mean is it's not being managed in the way YOU would prefer. That is NOT the same as it not being managed. My original post was to highlight to difference in "reaction to threat" and that is not a fallacy. The threat to life is real and the populations reaction to government action to reduce it is real. The difference is the lack of hysteria.
Again, you have shifted your point to make it more valid, and I won’t argue the new “hysteria” point as I do agree with that.

It is unfortunate that you won’t admit that the original point you made, as it was written, was representative of a false equivalence, though, but I am happy to move on now that it seems you’ve at least taken that onboard and won’t continue to make the same problematic comparisons.
 
I think what you mean is it's not being managed in the way YOU would prefer. That is NOT the same as it not being managed. My original post was to highlight to difference in "reaction to threat" and that is not a fallacy. The threat to life is real and the populations reaction to government action to reduce it is real. The difference is the lack of hysteria.
Agreed. Shutting down now is completely unnecessary and would allow the crack heads to roam, then we’d have issues mate.

I don’t think this lot have been stocking up on bog role, I think they’ve opted for the tin foil.
 
for me the panic stations the governments over europe that they have setup are crazy and i can see rioting and looting very soon, if the uk and england follow the panic will happen faster and lock down will be even worst and the army will be called in and and people will be running riot and good luck with any laws

Quatermass in real life
the army and police couldnt controll the numbers in that case, it would be every man for himself, a lawless society which could see you killed for your can of corned beef
 
Agreed. Shutting down now is completely unnecessary and would allow the crack heads to roam, then we’d have issues mate.

I don’t think this lot have been stocking up on bog role, I think they’ve opted for the tin foil.
Are you implying that those calling out a false equivalency (including many health experts) that has been echoed in this thread for pages and pages are wearing tin foil?

I hope I have misunderstood, as I would not expect something like that from you.
 
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