COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[squirtyflower]

Fucking hell

 

[Chippy_boy]

That's not scaremongering. It's exactly what the government's graph yesterday showed - if we have a spike like Italy had, it goes way above the capacity of the NHS.

That's why they're advising people to pretty much carry on as normal, in contrast to the rest of the world. They want people to get infected now and slowly drip feed in to the system.

But that is so flawed.

If you want lower numbers in period x then to achieve that you need lower numbers in the periods running up to it. You don't end up having a smaller peak in a few weeks by having more numbers now, quite the opposite.

 

[SebastianBlue]

on a side note with all this cancelled football, I reckon many, many, many clubs are going to fail FFP.\

also many, many clubs are going to go out of business unless they get a sugar daddy to bail them out, especially those clubs carrying lots of debt

I think many of the larger highly-leveraged clubs who shall remain nameless with be bailed out, as needed, for the “greater good”.

But, if we are now truly self-sufficient as the club has indicated in the several recent annual reports, coupled with our low-to-no debt setup, this will likely show our ownership’s strategy as the prudent, sustainable, profitable model.

And won’t that be a kick to the teeth of supporters of those other clubs, not to mention a fair few other recently highly interested entities.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Fucking hell

No news there then. Everyone knew he is a **** anyway.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Great intentions bud and I mirror those in hope, but they're scrapping over bog roll pasta and hand sanitiser, bearing in mind this epidemic hasn't even hit yet I have very little hope (But optimism) that there are enough warts in society to make it very very difficult for the country to run properly.

People are clearly panicking. I'm sure that's completely normal, and would hazard a guess people may well have done similar in the early stages of WW2.

But look at Italy now, they're not a million miles away from us culturally, and they're all respecting the lock down, queuing at a safe distance in the shops. The panic has probably subsided and they're now looking out for each other.

 

[SWP's back]

Such a ****

 

[Proy]

The message from Boris yesterday was to carry on as normal, but don't go on a cruise if you're over 70.

The general public isn't buying it.

After seeing every other developed nation suspend mass gatherings, the NBA suspended, La Liga, Serie a, people were dumfounded as to why the PL wasn't.

As of 9.30 last night, the PL was carrying on as normal. It was only at about 10.30 when it was confirmed Arteta was infected that they said they would review it in the morning.

Today players and managers at Everton, Leicester, Watford, West Ham, City and Chelsea have all either being diagnosed with it, or are self-isolating.

Yet the official government figures say there are only 600 confirmed cases in the entire country!

We're moving way too slow on this imo, and the only justification I can see for it is some psedo behavioural science theory that if you isolate people too early, they'll get bored and rebel against it.

I think it comes down to economical gain in the short term (i.e impacting it as little as possible) and trying to protect the health service at the same time.

There is a part of me here that looks at this and thinks that our government see this as the cost of doing business, if you like. The virus will impact the elderly and those with underlying health issues, that ultimately will take strain of the NHS if said people pass away as a consequence.

In the meantime, those who are in the bracket of fit and healthy and the majority which will pass this off like the common cold, whilst getting immunity to this virus, fantastic! When it comes back all is well and a vaccine will have been developed by then to clean up any loose ends.

That’s how it seems to me. It’s abhorrent and not something I can support.

 

[hello]

Such a ****

Always a quality game when someone responds to a tweet this way as I don't see the tweets at work, but usually I can guess, however on this subject there seems to far too many to chose from so I'll have to check the thread later from my phone to see the context.

 

[mexico1970]

People are clearly panicking. I'm sure that's completely normal, and would hazard a guess people may well have done similar in the early stages of WW2.

But look at Italy now, they're not a million miles away from us culturally, and they're all respecting the lock down, queuing at a safe distance in the shops. The panic has probably subsided and they're now looking out for each other.

You're quite obviously a good guy bud, if there's one lesson I have learned in life is never place your moral compass on others, and if the onset is anything to go by I will expect the worst and then accept if it's less than that. We are so far removed from the cultural aspects of 1939 that we aren't the same society, we're existentially split there isn't any camaraderie that is evident.

 

[Chippy_boy]

This is really the main point the difference between people getting medical help or not. It doesn’t matter what the fatality rate should be 1 2 or 3% if people who should have lived die anyhow. Can those who are willing to accept the government position tell us how much extra beds and equipment the govt currently have in place and how much is this increasing weekly?

If not it looks like a hard nosed cost per death approach to me.

This is going to have far reaching consequences for the nature of healthcare in our country I think. Consequences for the next 50 years.

The more left wing supporters will use the inevitable "problems" as a platform to claim that they were right all along and that NHS has been chronically and systematically underfunded for a decade or more and that it needs a step chance in investment levels. And the more right wing will suggest that the nature of one big state-run monolithic organisation is unfit for purpose and needs wholesale restructuring and much greater involvement from the private sector.

Any which way, I think the NHS is going to be very different in years to come, as a result of what's about to happen.

 

[Shaelumstash]

But that is so flawed.

If you want lower numbers in period x then to achieve that you need lower numbers in the periods running up to it. You don't end up having a smaller peak in a few weeks by having more numbers now, quite the opposite.

I agree, but their idea is they want to create some "herd immunity", so to get a load of people infected (including health care workers) now, so that they are immune and able to help others when the spike hits.

When Boris said "many are going to lose loved ones before their time", what he actually meant was "some of you hearing this are going to die".

 

[SebastianBlue]

But that is so flawed.

If you want lower numbers in period x then to achieve that you need lower numbers in the periods running up to it. You don't end up having a smaller peak in a few weeks by having more numbers now, quite the opposite.

I agree, but their idea is they want to create some "herd immunity", so to get a load of people infected (including health care workers) now, so that they are immune and able to help others when the spike hits.

When Boris said "many are going to lose loved ones before their time", what he actually meant was "some of you hearing this are going to die".

Yes, this is what many of us have been trying to point out.

This “strategy” is just as likely to cause an early peak as to push one off until the summer.

And why are we attempting to push the peak out at all?

We should be attempting to flatten the curve to avoid the peak entirely, as is the general guidance from every reputable study on the intersection of epidemiology, behaviour science, and health systems.

Not to mention they are applying a epidiomelogical principle (herd immunity) that is meant to occur naturally over many years with endemic pathogens or artificially over a fairly short period with quick implementation vaccinations to a 6-9 month period (at best) with no vaccinations.

It’s not developing herd immunity at that point, it is just letting people get sick.

The more I think about it and talk to medical professionals in my family the less it makes any sense at all.

 

[squirtyflower]

Just caught up with about four hours worth of posting

A reminder please that this thread is not for political point scoring or for copying tweets from other political platforms to score a political goal.
Posting privileges will be withdrawn if this continues.

Furthermore, as we head towards Armageddon with pristine hands, be nice!!!!!

 

[Shaelumstash]

You're quite obviously a good guy bud, if there's one lesson I have learned in life is never place your moral compass on others, and if the onset is anything to go by I will expect the worst and then accept if it's less than that. We are so far removed from the cultural aspects of 1939 that we aren't the same society, we're existentially split there isn't any camaraderie that is evident.

You're right in the sense that I would never place my moral compass on others.

But it's human nature that in times of mass crisis, there reaches a point where people start to look out for each other.

Look at 9/11, look at Grenfell. People who normally wouldn't give each other the time of day showing great compassion for each other.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Yes, this is what many of us have been trying to point out.

This “strategy” is just as likely to cause an early peak as to push one off until the summer.

And why are we attempting to push the peak out at all?

We should be attempting to flatten the curve to avoid the peak entirely, as is the general guidance from every reputable study on the intersection of epidemiology, behaviour science, and health systems.

Not to mention they are applying a epidiomelogical principle (herd immunity) that is meant to occur naturally over many years with endemic pathogens or artificially over a fairly short period with quick implementation vaccinations to a 6-9 month period (at best) with no vaccinations.

It’s not developing herd immunity at that point, it is just letting people get sick.

The more I think about it and talk to medical professionals in my family the less it makes any sense at all.

The irony is, that bell curve the CMO presented yesterday as his justification for carrying on as normal and not banning mass gatherings, is the exact same bell curve that Barack Obama tweeted last night to JUSTIFY the banning of mass gatherings.

As I said earlier, their only justification for not implementing a lock down right now is that they've read a behavioural science report that says if you isolate people too early, they'll get bored. That's not good enough for me.

 

[kaz7]

798 confirmed,no more testing if i heard sky right just then

 

[kaz7]

What a prick

 

[Shaelumstash]

I think it comes down to economical gain in the short term (i.e impacting it as little as possible) and trying to protect the health service at the same time.

There is a part of me here that looks at this and thinks that our government see this as the cost of doing business, if you like. The virus will impact the elderly and those with underlying health issues, that ultimately will take strain of the NHS if said people pass away as a consequence.

In the meantime, those who are in the bracket of fit and healthy and the majority which will pass this off like the common cold, whilst getting immunity to this virus, fantastic! When it comes back all is well and a vaccine will have been developed by then to clean up any loose ends.

That’s how it seems to me. It’s abhorrent and not something I can support.

Mate, that's exactly how I see it too.

Survival of the fittest. (Which is a fucking disgrace in 2020).

 

[Uffa]

who makes the decision on who lives and who dies? When you have one ICU respirator per 2,3 maybe 4 or even more patients in need of one, how are they going to choose which person to try to save and which people to let die? How?

Those are rhetorical questions I know, but it's actually a very swiftly-applied and straightforward process.

He is only following the advice of his scientists.

Whom I am beginning to wonder are reincarnations of Dr Mengele.

Aaand strike three for Godwin's law! We're on a roll here ladies and gents.

But it's human nature that in times of mass crisis, there reaches a point where people start to look out for each other.

Or at least become so worried by the real risks posed by egoistical actions, that the ones not respecting the community laws risk lynching.

 

[Uffa]

798 confirmed,no more testing if i heard sky right just then

No more testing?