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TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
The Bluemoon parliament has already dismissed it, in part because it was presented by "c#nt" Boris and some random people on Twitter have denounced it as genocide.
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I think Johnson announcing some of you will die and talking about ‘herds’ may have given that impression.

However that is not the entire argument. I keep saying this but we are not that much different to Italy, France, Germany et al who are under no illusion that they can stop the spread of this infection either. All these countries are about managing the rate of spread. The difference it seems is that they are trying to slow the spread with restrictive measures whereas we currently are not trying to slow that speed, or at least not officially trying to do so, on the grounds that we want to spread the infection rates, but then we are on a different timeline to continental Europe so logically our restrictive measures are a week or so away if we followed their actions.

The difference comes in that we had a chance to slow the spread earlier than continental Europe and there is some puzzlement that we didn’t officially take that choice given there is no realistic modelling of how far this has spread in the UK. Arguably we are making a conscious choice to continue the spread as opposed to the forced choice other European countries have made. But if we miscalculate on infection spread then it could easily overwhelm the system in which case there will be deaths that could have been prevented. Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, we haven’t heeded the Govts ‘carry on carriers’ advice and have enacted our own restrictive measures.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
You won’t want to hear this but from the outside looking in at that situation you need to tell her to calm the fuck down and start thinking more sensibly! Her saying she’d divorce you is quite frankly as irrational as it gets.

What she wants to do might be the wrong thing.

Wait for advice from the travel company/airline/home office.

Women, eh? I always think it’s annoying in films when there’s a threatening situation and there’s always a woman in a scene who starts panicking or getting hysterical... but that’s what they’re really like, isn’t it?!

They’re fucking nutters.

If she says it again, ask her to sort the papers out and you’ll sign them!
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Cheers pal, I was expecting the usual advice....like punch her lights out and set her on fire haha...
 
Indaparkside said:
It’s what recovering people in the paper were saying today that for the younger generation the symptoms didn’t seem that bad that’s all I was stating
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Ok, fair enough.

You can see how continually saying “it’s just killing the elderly and sick” can be problematic, though, right? Even if you weren’t intending it the way many do?
 
The last three days figures in the UK have been truly awful. We were proceeding at a rate of +18% ish per day and the last 4 days it's gone +20%. +28%. +35%. +43%. Not only are the numbers increasing, the growth factor is increasing. This is terrible, really terrible. Italy didn't see rises on this scale.

We MUST lock down now of this is going to be much, much worse than Italy. It probably already is going to be now, TBH.

Think about the figures. 43% increases every day would mean in 1 week, 14,000 cases. In 2 weeks, 170,000. Look where Italy is now - 17,000.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The last three days figures in the UK have been truly awful. We were proceeding at a rate of +18% ish per day and the last 4 days it's gone +20%. +28%. +35%. +43%. Not only are the numbers increasing, the growth factor is increasing. This is terrible, really terrible. Italy didn't see rises on this scale.

We MUST lock down now of this is going to be much, much worse than Italy. It probably already is going to be now, TBH.

Think about the figures. 43% increases every day would mean in 1 week, 14,000 cases. In 2 weeks, 170,000. Look where Italy is now - 17,000.
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I had the same thought. It’s going to be truly horrendous in the UK. Supposed to be flying to Cape Verde on Thursday which is currently CV free but if it carries on like this I could see them banning UK flights. Hopefully it will happen while I’m there!
 
west didsblue said:
I had the same thought. It’s going to be truly horrendous in the UK. Supposed to be flying to Cape Verde on Thursday which is currently CV free but if it carries on like this I could see them banning UK flights. Hopefully it will happen while I’m there!
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You'll probably take it with you
 
My work have now decided that all employees globally will WFH for the foreseeable future.


Now to see if I can get a refund on the rail season ticket I purchased last week.
 
BobKowalski said:
I think Johnson announcing some of you will die and talking about ‘herds’ may have given that impression.

However that is not the entire argument. I keep saying this but we are not that much different to Italy, France, Germany et al who are under no illusion that they can stop the spread of this infection either. All these countries are about managing the rate of spread. The difference it seems is that they are trying to slow the spread with restrictive measures whereas we currently are not trying to slow that speed, or at least not officially trying to do so, on the grounds that we want to spread the infection rates, but then we are on a different timeline to continental Europe so logically our restrictive measures are a week or so away if we followed their actions.

The difference comes in that we had a chance to slow the spread earlier than continental Europe and there is some puzzlement that we didn’t officially take that choice given there is no realistic modelling of how far this has spread in the UK. Arguably we are making a conscious choice to continue the spread as opposed to the forced choice other European countries have made. But if we miscalculate on infection spread then it could easily overwhelm the system in which case there will be deaths that could have been prevented. Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, we haven’t heeded the Govts ‘carry on carriers’ advice and have enacted our own restrictive measures.
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the short term business case for the government's strategy is unanswerable at least then ;)
 
Chippy_boy said:
The last three days figures in the UK have been truly awful. We were proceeding at a rate of +18% ish per day and the last 4 days it's gone +20%. +28%. +35%. +43%. Not only are the numbers increasing, the growth factor is increasing. This is terrible, really terrible. Italy didn't see rises on this scale.

We MUST lock down now of this is going to be much, much worse than Italy. It probably already is going to be now, TBH.

Think about the figures. 43% increases every day would mean in 1 week, 14,000 cases. In 2 weeks, 170,000. Look where Italy is now - 17,000.
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Certainly ain't no storm in a teacup as someone posted only a few days ago, yikes!
 
And BTW, to anyone under 40, fit and healthy thinking "Well I will be OK", bear in mind this. The official figures have your chances of dying at 0.2% - two people in 1,000. However, this has been calculated as a percentage of ALL cases, including those for which there is no outcome yet. Not the proportion of those who have recovered. And some of the active cases will also die. So the 0.2% is woefully understated since very few cases yet have outcomes. Furthermore, if you do get seriously ill, your chances of survival are good, provided you have access to the proper intensive care and ventilator equipment. If the NHS doesn't have any (and on current course, it won't), then you're fucked. So again, the 0.2% is woefully low. My guess it will be 5x that at least. We are going to see lots of fit and healthy young people dying over this, IMO needlessly.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Ok, fair enough.

You can see how continually saying “it’s just killing the elderly and sick” can be problematic, though, right? Even if you weren’t intending it the way many do?
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In the uk that is exactly what is happening though,the medical officer keeps telling us that,i am not sure you can argue with that
 
Chippy_boy said:
The last three days figures in the UK have been truly awful. We were proceeding at a rate of +18% ish per day and the last 4 days it's gone +20%. +28%. +35%. +43%. Not only are the numbers increasing, the growth factor is increasing. This is terrible, really terrible. Italy didn't see rises on this scale.

We MUST lock down now of this is going to be much, much worse than Italy. It probably already is going to be now, TBH.

Think about the figures. 43% increases every day would mean in 1 week, 14,000 cases. In 2 weeks, 170,000. Look where Italy is now - 17,000.
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Of course those figures don't anywhere near represent the amount of people who have it. There will be hundreds of thousands in Italy I suspect and tens of thousands here.

The number of cases will no doubt never be known and probably isn't relevant to government planning. I suspect they will have a target in mind related to how much the NHS is being stretched before bringing in new measures such as school closures.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The last three days figures in the UK have been truly awful. We were proceeding at a rate of +18% ish per day and the last 4 days it's gone +20%. +28%. +35%. +43%. Not only are the numbers increasing, the growth factor is increasing. This is terrible, really terrible. Italy didn't see rises on this scale.

We MUST lock down now of this is going to be much, much worse than Italy. It probably already is going to be now, TBH.

Think about the figures. 43% increases every day would mean in 1 week, 14,000 cases. In 2 weeks, 170,000. Look where Italy is now - 17,000.
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with Spain announcing and confirming an Italian style lockdown an hour ago I have to say I’m breathing a little easier as it was inevitable they were going to export most of their cases across the border to here. The UK CMO policy leaves zero margin for error in the presumptions. Can’t see how the NHS will cope if Lombardy is setting up tents to facilitate the overspill and we all know the stat comparisons between Lombardy and the Uk on medical facilities.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The last three days figures in the UK have been truly awful. We were proceeding at a rate of +18% ish per day and the last 4 days it's gone +20%. +28%. +35%. +43%. Not only are the numbers increasing, the growth factor is increasing. This is terrible, really terrible. Italy didn't see rises on this scale.

We MUST lock down now of this is going to be much, much worse than Italy. It probably already is going to be now, TBH.

Think about the figures. 43% increases every day would mean in 1 week, 14,000 cases. In 2 weeks, 170,000. Look where Italy is now - 17,000.
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I wonder now how relevant or accurate the figures are. As we discussed people having had it could even be that 100,000 have had it and not known, 100,000 right now have it and dont know.

The herd nonsense from the government does scare me a bit. If the WHO or infact any other country in the world thought it a good idea i would be less so.
 
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