COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Out of all the nonsense that’s been said, and no doubt will be said, stating that 70+ will be staying in for 4 months is right up there. Hancock doesn’t fill me with any confidence (pst, “got any spare ventilators mate”? Ffs).

Zammo Hancock

 

[city saint]

was visiting the mother in law at hospital yesterday as we were waiting for a lift 2 nurses fully masked were wheeling a women in a bed who was coughing her guts up and trying to rip her mask off,the nurse was telling her she had to keep it on.as the lift door opened she wheeled her in and said to us you don't want to be coming in here with us,actually seeing it with my own eyes was scary as fuck my wife whos been burying her head in the sand has suddenly woken up to how serious it really is

 

[Chippy_boy]

It's clear to me that we have fucked up and are doing a U-turn. Evidence? We're now cancelling big sporting events "to free up medical resources'.

What s load of crap. This is I am certain, a lie.

They are cancelling them to stop the spread, as they should have done many days ago. The problem is, having made some shite decisions initially, the government is unable to say "we fucked up,", so we have nonsense announcements like this.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I think if they’ve got the symptoms they should be treated the same as anybody else

I agree

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Zammo Hancock

You might be on to something there. Marc Francois is Fat Roland.

 

[Indaparkside]

The government are to use best western hotels as itu beds with ventilators in them, jcb will be making the ventilators senior staff received a memo yesterday

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Not with you about wiping your arse for fun after your daily intake of doner’s

It was going to get tasty in Aldi’s yesterday but my crate of tikka masalas was on the shelf!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You might be on to something there. Marc Francois is Fat Roland.

Except I don’t feel sorry for him.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Not sure whether or not to take my kids to school. They live with my mum and me and we would both be in the high risk category. Normally would just tell them to take time off but it is important exam prep time for them.

there’s every chance exams will be scrapped

 

[Bluemoon115]

This. I noticed over the weekend. Everyone coughing.

This is why "Government Advice" doesn't work in the UK. People are idiots and think they're the exception to everything.

"Government Advice" should be "Government Orders", with those who fail to comply being hung from lampposts.

Sure, it'd be harsh at first, but people would start taking it seriously.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I've made the decision to keep my kids off school from tomorrow. Also to isolate my 78 year old mother to her room on a voluntary basis to avoid further problems down the line. I'm quite prepared to give up work to stay at home to cut down the chances of being infected and therefore cut down the chances of infecting my family.
Any thoughts on where I would stand legally by keeping my kids off school?

theoretically you could be prosecuted

but it won’t happen

cos there is every chance they won’t be going back to school after Easter anyway

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

there’s every chance exams will be scrapped

Only my view but I think everything will be delayed including exams

My sister is a teacher and she has been briefed that different measures in place such as delaying exams, taking results from mocks, cancelling exams totally

 

[Deleted member 77198]

It's clear to me that we have fucked up and are doing a U-turn. Evidence? We're now cancelling big sporting events "to free up medical resources'.

What s load of crap. This is I am certain, a lie.

They are cancelling them to stop the spread, as they should have done many days ago. The problem is, having made some shite decisions initially, the government is unable to say "we fucked up,", so we have nonsense announcements like this.

It’s been the sport’s governing bodies who have ignored the government and cancelled games and events off their own back.

Lots of gigs still went ahead over the weekend. 21,000 at the Arena for Stereophonics

 

[Deleted member 77198]

It was going to get tasty in Aldi’s yesterday but my crate of tikka masalas was on the shelf!

Sharston? I was there at 10:00 yesterday and people were arguing with each other. They have a ‘four packs of toilet roll’ policy and some daft woman ran in and out about nine packs in her trolley, even the staff were moaning at her.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

My local Tesco 24 superstore was like Christmas Eve on Friday night, but there’s loads of independent shops near me, some of them with considerable square footage and the one I went in was fully stocked with most items. Presumably they are more nimble and able to quickly replenish the shelves on an ad hoc basis via the cash and carry, at least for now.

 

[Marvin]

Out of all the nonsense that’s been said, and no doubt will be said, stating that 70+ will be staying in for 4 months is right up there.

I believe it to be rubbish too. The longer they leave social distancing, the longer this is going to take. This is exponential growth and decay, where the change in the amount of virus we have dX is directly proportional to the amount of virus we have, X, at time t. It's a common process in the natural world and those curves and models that we keep seeing are models of exponential growth and decay. The one thing everyone knows about exponential growth and decay is that it's steep and precipitous, and we saw that in Wuhan.

We've been told that due to the R0 value of the virus, something that is unique to each virus, this one doubles every 4 days, and you see that in most countries. The only thing that differs between most countries is the time - it's a horizontal shift of the curve, hence we are 2-3 weeks behind Italy.

It's now the job of each country to smash the growth rate of the virus by interfering with the transmission. That can be done by social distancing (Wuhan) or by blanket testing and information technology (South Korea), sadly a lot of western health administrator don't believe you can stop it, and you can only control it, hence no Western nation has seriously implemented a testing program. It's a complere disgrace that we do not have easy access to tests. Not even Drs and nurses can get ready access to tests for themselves when they are ill (I know this).

We're now at 10,000 cases (so we are told??). That will be 20,000 in 4 days, then 40,000, 80,000, 160,000 is nothing is done, but if society shuts down and people do this properly, as happened in Wuhan, the virus will precipitously collapse in a relatively short period. It does depend on what we do though. That is why the government was criticised by scientists. We should be learning from other societies and their approaches and not ignoring them. Good science adapts models to the real world not dogma.

There are two models which completely decimated the virus: Wuhan (social control) and South Korea (intelligent targeted testing on a massive scale combined with anti-virals). We should be learning from these models, not ignoring them.

When I see completely empty squares and cities I am hugely encouraged because how can a virus grow in that environment? What worries me though is that what you don't see is where the people have gone. They are crammed tightly together in houses. Our families will infect each other, but not if it's done early enough. That's why it's very important that social distancing is done very quickly.

Everything that the British government is doing comes from the top of the medical profession and it you can see that it is informed by the idea of building up immunity i.e. they do not want to stop the infection in its tracks because they don't believe it is possible. The thing is it's been shown that you can do this. I hope Boris Johnson and his government get panicked by reality as the Germans, French, Spanish, and Italians have been, and react very quickly. If they do it slowly and wait weeks (as suggested - then they are deliberately trying to infect the healthy - whilst isolating the old and immune-compromised). They say the herd immunity was a PR blunder and they don't believe it, but everything they do and have done suggests they do actually believe this. Hopefully politicians will be shocked by reality and move fast now.

I am completely shocked that advanced Western nations with computers, lots of trained people, and testing kits did not follow the South Korea model. It was shown to work.

 

[Uffa]

This ones for you pal - seems to be trending alit in Italy - single plane sent out to represent the virus with the aitalian Air Force out to meet it with Pavarotti in the background - I worry more when these gestures start happening as they obviously have data at hand which indicates things are going to get significantly worse... great song reminds me if Baggio in Italia 90 :-)

Thanks mate. It's actually a performance from months ago, they often do that stunt with the soloist. Always great to see the Frecce though, they're amazing pilots.

didn't even get the finale.

Mind, he could sing better on a ventilator than I ever could.

The finale is in the first comment below the tweet ;)

 

[BlueHammer85]

I believe it to be rubbish too. The longer they leave social distancing, the longer this is going to take. This is exponential growth and decay, where the change in the amount of virus we have dX is directly proportional to the amount of virus we have, X, at time t. It's a common process in the natural world and those curves and models that we keep seeing are models of exponential growth and decay. The one thing everyone knows about exponential growth and decay is that it's steep and precipitous, and we saw that in Wuhan.

We've been told that due to the R0 value of the virus, something that is unique to each virus, this one doubles every 4 days, and you see that in most countries. The only thing that differs between most countries is the time - it's a horizontal shift of the curve, hence we are 2-3 weeks behind Italy.

It's now the job of each country to smash the growth rate of the virus by interfering with the transmission. That can be done by social distancing (Wuhan) or by blanket testing and information technology (South Korea), sadly a lot of western health administrator don't believe you can stop it, and you can only control it, hence no Western nation has seriously implemented a testing program. It's a complere disgrace that we do not have easy access to tests. Not even Drs and nurses can get ready access to tests for themselves when they are ill (I know this).

We're now at 10,000 cases (so we are told??). That will be 20,000 in 4 days, then 40,000, 80,000, 160,000 is nothing is done, but if society shuts down and people do this properly, as happened in Wuhan, the virus will precipitously collapse in a relatively short period. It does depend on what we do though. That is why the government was criticised by scientists. We should be learning from other societies and their approaches and not ignoring them. Good science adapts models to the real world not dogma.

There are two models which completely decimated the virus: Wuhan (social control) and South Korea (intelligent targeted testing on a massive scale combined with anti-virals). We should be learning from these models, not ignoring them.

When I see completely empty squares and cities I am hugely encouraged because how can a virus grow in that environment? What worries me though is that what you don't see is where the people have gone. They are crammed tightly together in houses. Our families will infect each other, but not if it's done early enough. That's why it's very important that social distancing is done very quickly.

Everything that the British government is doing comes from the top of the medical profession and it you can see that it is informed by the idea of building up immunity i.e. they do not want to stop the infection in its tracks because they don't believe it is possible. The thing is it's been shown that you can do this. I hope Boris Johnson and his government get panicked by reality as the Germans, French, Spanish, and Italians have been, and react very quickly. If they do it slowly and wait weeks (as suggested - then they are deliberately trying to infect the healthy - whilst isolating the old and immune-compromised). They say the herd immunity was a PR blunder and they don't believe it, but everything they do and have done suggests they do actually believe this. Hopefully politicians will be shocked by reality and move fast now.

I am completely shocked that advanced Western nations with computers, lots of trained people, and testing kits did not follow the South Korea model. It was shown to work.

I think they realise now. We’re very close for everywhere to be completely shut down and people to isolate.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

People have finally started panic-buying here in Malaysia. Absolute pain in the arse, because I live next to the supermarket so I usually just pop in for a few things every day. Now every time, I get stuck behind a bunch of nobheads and there's no 10 items or less over here. They'd completely wiped out the chicken aisle today. That doesn't even keep ffs.

 

[grunge]

This is why "Government Advice" doesn't work in the UK. People are idiots and think they're the exception to everything.

"Government Advice" should be "Government Orders", with those who fail to comply being hung from lampposts.

Sure, it'd be harsh at first, but people would start taking it seriously.

I’ve had a niggly cough for months due to regular allergies and sinus infections so I know it’s not this, but some of the looks I get are astounding.

My boss takes blood pressure tablets which cause a dry cough too and he was saying the other week he was at a spa and he emptied the jacuzzi with a single cough!