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Gareth Barry Conlon
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Disagree. You are making a legal distinction when semantically corruption is not made from a basis of the law
So it is both legal and corrupt and therefore you want to see it reformed so corruption becomes illegal.
My point is that while big money / influence is legal dont expect politicans to do well without big money. The system is what it is - until it gets reformed.
Bigga
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US politics allows for funding and influence that would be corrupt in many other countries. The fact it is permitted means it is not corupt, you could say it needs reform but that is different.
If it's 'corrupt' enough to keep a nation from a wage increase, so it can extract a profit for the extreme few, it's 'corrupt' enough.
Same situation in the UK.
Bigga
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I don't care Bigga, it's Trump out no matter what and the left v left bollocks can wait another day, are we clear in that? This isn't the day for you and me to fight, this is the day to kick these cunts out regardless of where you stand.
Doing the right thing whilst getting rid of #45 are not mutually exclusive.
I was always baffled by the thinking that people thought they were.
Put it this way, i'd be EXTREMELY surprised if Biden beats #45 based on his stealing of Sanders' theme on M4A, right now.
Once he rides this through, Biden has nowhere to go, especially if the stock market kicks back in.
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Give it up mate, I was as big a backer for Sanders as you, what's most important now is getting that **** right out of office. Ok?Doing the right thing whilst getting rid of #45 are not mutually exclusive.
I was always baffled by the thinking that people thought they were.
Put it this way, i'd be EXTREMELY surprised if Biden beats #45 based on his stealing of Sanders' theme on M4A, right now.
Once he rides this through, Biden has nowhere to go, especially if the stock market kicks back in.
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DNC got what they wanted.
Another term for Trump.
Faux News will parrot all "Biden Corruption" night and day and his voters will lap it up.
Another term for Trump.
Faux News will parrot all "Biden Corruption" night and day and his voters will lap it up.
So it is both legal and corrupt and therefore you want to see it reformed so corruption becomes illegal.
My point is that while big money / influence is legal dont expect politicans to do well without big money. The system is what it is - until it gets reformed.
Seems to always be the argument from conservatives or cynics, that deeming something corrupt implies we must legislate everything to death - fortunate then how religion is exempt by law yet corrupt as feck
US political system is a cesspool of corruption, much of it is actually even technically illegal but when the judicial branch is as well you can forget the utility of the laws
Like a virus, systemically the US is infected with corruption and either death or eradicating the source will ever result in any substantive change
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Ha.I'm saying I think Sanders could have nicked more of his base away.
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Hahaha.Sanders' run may be over, but the Progressive seeds are planting:
Progressive Marie Newman beats Democratic incumbent Dan Lipinski in primary.
Whether Biden or #45 wins the presidency, they will just encourage a new progressive party that will push against the bullshit over incrementalism; a choice of action that does not benefit the lowest working nation.
#DemExit seems to be a trend I'm seeing around.
Bigga
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Give it up mate, I was as big a backer for Sanders as you, what's most important now is getting that **** right out of office. Ok?
It might be important, but the skewed politics of the MSM has affected this situation.
Sure, #45 needs to leave, but since young voters didn't really come out to vote, what makes you think they will in Nov?
Bigga
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Hahaha.
Okay...
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Maybe you disagree sweep, either way me and you get behind Biden, we're too leave the war for another day mate, something that Bigga needs to learn.
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Fuck that. Get behind Biden.It might be important, but the skewed politics of the MSM has affected this situation.
Sure, #45 needs to leave, but since young voters didn't really come out to vote, what makes you think they will in Nov?
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You need to cop on.It might be important, but the skewed politics of the MSM has affected this situation.
Sure, #45 needs to leave, but since young voters didn't really come out to vote, what makes you think they will in Nov?
Bigga
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Fuck that. Get behind Biden.
I can't, mate.
It's rare enough that there are politicians that don't lie.
True Progressives are wearing that badge of honour; the badge that works for the people.
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So me against you.and we both lose again, even though I'm on your side?I can't, mate.
It's rare enough that there are politicians that don't lie.
True Progressives are wearing that badge of honour; the badge that works for the people.
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Complete bollocks. Biden was already winning nationally against Trump before Covid-19 and his turnout numbers backed the polls.Biden getting the nomination is just as bad as Hillary and reflects just how broken & corrupt the system is. Only Corona will dislodge Trump, either way the outlook for the US remains as murky as it has been
You’re talking shite and really don’t understand politics if you think Clinton (H) = Biden.
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You'll let Trump win?I can't, mate.
It's rare enough that there are politicians that don't lie.
True Progressives are wearing that badge of honour; the badge that works for the people.
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There's no point sweep.Complete bollocks. Biden was already winning nationally against Trump before Covid-19 and his turnout numbers backed the polls.
You’re talking shite and really don’t understand politics if you think Clinton (H) = Biden.
Bigga
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So me against you.and we both lose again, even though I'm on your side?
If I was FORCED to vote I would, forever, regret voting for Biden, but he'd get the vote.
Fortunately choice is still a democratic right and I would choose neither.