“The work of God”?

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The king James Bible, or the Old Testament?

Both of which are just a collection of stories, most of which were written years (in many cases 100's of years) after they were supposed to have happened. They have been translated and transcribed so many times that the message of the original stories have been diluted so much, that I'd be surprised if 5% were even close to the original message. In the case of the King James Bible, it was written by servants of the ruling class as a tool to control the uneducated, and no doubt changed to suit the narrative of the king.

I'm not going to mock anyone who follows any religion, but it's not for me.
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In early versions of the bible there were stories of fire breathing flying dragons and even people flying. When they realised people were questioning these things, they omitted them in re-writes.

Since Enlightenment every single thing in there has been questioned and apart from the odd moral you can take from some of the fables, the whole thing needs omitting from literature.

I wouldn’t mind if Enlightenment was a few decades ago but it was 300 years ago now and we still have people believing in religions.
 
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Been posted before but this seems like the correct place, not a god just Karma and Karma is a bitch. If I could take emotion out of the situation then I would be treating this virus with apathy. The fact that the young in general seem to mainly escape its clutches seem almost designed even though I know it’s not.
 
city2 said:
No I’m not a crack pot that’s the first thing. The earth is changing for the worst climate change Forrest fires water droughts extinction of wild animals the rich getting even more greedy is this our Noah’s Ark moment, killing off our loved ones and still we all show signs of the 7 deadly sins. Just need the internet to crash and burn and I’m convinced.
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For clarification, which god are you referring to here?
 
city2 said:
No I’m not a crack pot that’s the first thing. The earth is changing for the worst climate change Forrest fires water droughts extinction of wild animals the rich getting even more greedy is this our Noah’s Ark moment, killing off our loved ones and still we all show signs of the 7 deadly sins. Just need the internet to crash and burn and I’m convinced.
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No, it’s the work of a stupid fucker eating a bat.
 
hilts said:
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Been posted before but this seems like the correct place, not a god just Karma and Karma is a bitch. If I could take emotion out of the situation then I would be treating this virus with apathy. The fact that the young in general seem to mainly escape its clutches seem almost designed even though I know it’s not.
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We are indubitably a virus.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Which re-written version to keep trying to mask and omit as much of the bollocks, inconsistencies, proved falsities and fantasies of the Bible is that?

There’s no such thing as God and Jesus never existed. They’re just personified stories of the Sun.
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I’m no scholar, so I don’t know exactly why some books were taken out of the King James Bible, and left in the one the Orthodox use. But I do know, most will say the same thing, just translated differently.

You can’t prove that God doesn’t exist, just as I can’t prove to you he does. That’s your opinion and I respect that. As for Jesus, as a man there is plenty of historical evidence of him. Josephus, a Roman historian confirms this earliest.
 
urban genie said:
You never said which is the one though.

I gave you 4 from the bible itself in my list you could have picked
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The bible clearly states there is only one God.

Out of the others you referred to I only recognise Baal, and he is clearly outed as a false god, in the bible. Yahweh is the Hebrew name for God. The other 3 I’m not familiar with.
 
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I believe the different world religions are different branches leading to the same tree to an extent.

We all know right from wrong and good from evil. What we choose is our free will.

We can’t just be born, work and then die. There is a reason for life and a creator. Everything must have a creator. The world and us didn’t just appear without design.
 
thismustbetheplace said:
The bible clearly states there is only one God.

Out of the others you referred to I only recognise Baal, and he is clearly outed as a false god, in the bible. Yahweh is the Hebrew name for God. The other 3 I’m not familiar with.
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Judges 11:24 clearly does state there are other gods in fact the old testament is litered with references to other gods and they are only called false idols in reference to the Israelites who are the chosen people of their one true god and forbids them to worship other gods or idols.

The Israelites only became monotheistic around 720BC so in that case god seemed fine with these other gods kicking about and people worshiping them until the Assyrian conquest.


It is all in the OT


I ain't arsed if people want to believe in god, but also don't dismiss other peoples dieties then in my opinion if there is a jehovah then there is an odin or brahma too, whatever helps you through the day.


But this pandemic has fuck all to do with a god of any kind.
 
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thismustbetheplace said:
I’m no scholar, so I don’t know exactly why some books were taken out of the King James Bible, and left in the one the Orthodox use. But I do know, most will say the same thing, just translated differently.

You can’t prove that God doesn’t exist, just as I can’t prove to you he does. That’s your opinion and I respect that. As for Jesus, as a man there is plenty of historical evidence of him. Josephus, a Roman historian confirms this earliest.
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Jesus existed in the same way that Santa Claus existed. There was a real man, but the red suit, flying reindeers and climbing down the chimney are clearly bollocks. Similarly, there was a man who we can attribute the Jesus character to, but the claims of miracles and being the son of God are clearly fantasy.
 
Brightwells left peg said:
Maybe they'll settle on a plague of locusts and let you off?
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Its my belief that eating things like the above, along with Bats, Lizards, Snakes has caused this virus. These types of virus are inherent within some creatures but not passed onto humans, but CAN be. Similar to the Hendra virus which made the news a few years ago here in Oz, we have large colonies of huge fruit bats which were found to be shitting on horses as they flew over paddocks, the people who ride and look after those horses were at risk. Suddenly people died of Hendra virus.

One simply cannot eat whatever (as in the Film of Woohan market in China).
 
thismustbetheplace said:
I believe the different world religions are different branches leading to the same tree to an extent.

We all know right from wrong and good from evil. What we choose is our free will.

We can’t just be born, work and then die. There is a reason for life and a creator. Everything must have a creator. The world and us didn’t just appear without design.
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You're free to believe what you like, but if you're trying to convince anyone else, I'm surprised you used this suicide bomb of an argument. You seem like someone who's used to talking to unbelievers, or who at least has been (possibly home) schooled in the appropriate pro-God talking points, so you've surely had this point rebutted numerous times - if everything must have a creator, then so must God. If the statement's true, you blow up God along with everything else, and nothing at all exists.
 
thismustbetheplace said:
I believe the different world religions are different branches leading to the same tree to an extent.

We all know right from wrong and good from evil. What we choose is our free will.

We can’t just be born, work and then die. There is a reason for life and a creator. Everything must have a creator. The world and us didn’t just appear without design.
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people trying to work at home are finding their internet slowing down.
Partly because of bandwidth taken up by infantile rubbish like this.
 
This thread is really about an issue that arises in the philosophy of religion, namely, the problem of evil. I'm making this post as an attempt to provide a bit of context and to distract myself from anxiety about the coronavirus.

So here goes. The bits in bold are not intended to patronise but simply to emphasise key points.

The classic or logical problem of evil as outlined by Epicurus (who was a Greek philosopher not a Christian) is as follows:

If God is all-powerful (omnipotent) He could therefore put a stop to evil.

If God is all-loving (omnibenevolent) He would therefore want to put a stop to evil.

But evil exists.

Therefore God is not all-powerful or not all-loving (or both).

Some philosophers argue that because God is omniscient (all-knowing) this is also incompatible with the existence of evil in the world because God must have known in advance what was going to happen. One example is Bertrand Russell, who wrote that ‘If I were going to beget a child knowing that the child was going to be a homicidal maniac, I should be responsible for his crimes. If God knew in advance the sins of which man would be guilty, He was clearly responsible for all the consequences of those sins when He decided to create man’.

A second problem, known as the evidential problem of evil says, not that the existence of evil is logically incompatible with the existence of an all-powerful, all-loving God but that the existence of evil provides good evidence against the existence of a God that has these qualities.

According to the evidential problem of evil, the amount and type of evil now becomes relevant. Even if we acknowledge that an all-powerful, all-knowing God might have created a world with at least some suffering in it (perhaps for the sake of some greater good), surely he would not have created a world with this much suffering?

We can sharpen the evidential problem of evil by noting that God will presumably not allow any unnecessary or pointless suffering to exist. There must be a good reason for every last bit of it.

Philosophers generally distinguish two types of evil that must be explained: moral evil – the harm humans knowingly do to others; non-moral evil (suffering, natural evil) from earthquakes, floods, disease e.g. coronavirus. A good explanation (known as a theodicy) for why God allows evil must account for both of these forms of evil.

Now I will cut to the chase and add my own views.

When we start to consider the enormous amount of suffering in the world – including the millions of years of animal suffering caused by natural events that occurred before humans even made an appearance – doesn’t it become overwhelmingly unlikely that every last bit of suffering can be accounted for in this way?

Additionally, the Russian novelist Dostoevsky argued that whatever God’s plan is that it cannot justify the suffering of innocent children. For example, some babies are born with a genetic skin disease that causes blistering all over the body, so that the baby cannot be held, or even lie on its back without pain. It seems odd to think that some kind of greater good or higher purpose can be achieved through permitting this kind of natural evil to exist.

Plus, we already have lots of other diseases that strike randomly and inflict evil and suffering on us.

For these reasons, the existence of pointless evil seems to me to suggest that the God of classical theism in all likelihood does not exist.

However, that's not all that I have to say, as there are other, very different ways in which Ultimate Reality has been construed down the centuries. Exposure to the mystical writings of various faiths and cultures which centre on contemplative experience have persuaded me to remain agnostic on this issue.
 
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