COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Coatigan]

The entire thread this evening is about politics. Trying to have two separate threads isn’t gonna work on nights like tonight.

I agree, it is. It is also about society and public attitudes and welfare. sometimes it is hard to separate.

 

[allan harper]

And now Michael Gove says that children cannot be moved from parent to parent and should remain with whichever parent they're currently with for the duration.

This is complete chaos.

Micheal Grove has now said something else that completely goes against what he said on a previous show, madness.

 

[MCFC1993]

The state of the tube pictured by a sonographer this morning:


Some businesses just aren't listening and some of the businesses labelled essential just aren't. It needs clamping down on who is essential because there is not a fucking chance all those people need to be in work this morning.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

It's been tightened but they left open half the employment sector.

This tactic of gradually tightening of the valve tells me that they are still following their initial policy of a controlled infection.

If they had wanted to reduce transmission to the bare minimum they would have done so. This is not an oversight. We're still following the mitigation strategy, they've just tightened it somewhat. The death toll will end up higher than it otherwise would have been because of this. The public are ready for a lockdown. There is no excuse not to do it.

Not sure about that - We know that they have access to the national data through some central covid/NHS body which is being fed the admissions to ICU units around the country and the testing and the logistic issues on frontline equipment. I suspect the numbers from the modeling are really worrying them and they know they have been tainted with the herd immunity strategy - Hancock interview with Morgan was very revealing on the H.I issue - he was in full denial which means the spivs have calculated a full on media/public opinion backlash in a week or so.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

The state of the tube pictured by a sonographer this morning:


Some businesses just aren't listening. It needs clamping down on who is essential because there is not a fucking chance all those people need to be in work this morning.

yep. Lots of them only care about profit and employees are too scared to not go in out of fear of getting the sack or reduced wages

the work policy announced is too vague

 

[Tricky_Trev]

So many employers creating tenuous reasons why their business is “essential”, and making staff come in to work. In the meantime they themselves are probably working from home counting the money. Close your fucking businesses and save lives. Cunts.

 

[urban genie]

Those people who were out in crowds at the weekend must be really proud of themselves. Well done lads and lasses.

f they didn't care then, they I doubt they care now.

This was comonganyway and shpuld have a week ago, but really nothing has changed from yesterday, as they are still being ambiguous about what is considered vital and key.

Until you see what spain and italy have with police driving up streets making anouncements and the army avaialble they haven't done much more than was already in place.

 

[journolud]

Just finishing a night shift, think I’ll head straight to sports direct for some weights or a fucking running machine

 

[Marvin]

The state of the tube pictured by a sonographer this morning:


Some businesses just aren't listening. It needs clamping down on who is essential because there is not a fucking chance all those people need to be in work this morning.

That's truly depressing. The government is either inept or truly callous and calculating.

I am sat in my flat and wondering why I am isolating when half the country isn't. I can see the gardener in the communal gardens, the cleaner is cleaning my communal entrance and I can hear the traffic on Deansgate. I thought that was it last night when Boris spoke but it isn't.

 

[jay_mcfc]

And now Michael Gove says that children cannot be moved from parent to parent and should remain with whichever parent they're currently with for the duration.

This is complete chaos.

And now GMB have had clarification from the government:

You CAN move kids between separated parents! Fuck me.

 

[Vic]

The state of the tube pictured by a sonographer this morning:


Some businesses just aren't listening. It needs clamping down on who is essential because there is not a fucking chance all those people need to be in work this morning.

No masks. Not even a scarf.

 

[lonestay]

Can it be done from home? [/QUOTE
Unfortunately no it can't ah well just arrived at work let's see how long the management can avoid the Corona word today ?

 

[Tricky_Trev]

That's truly depressing. The government is either inept or truly callous and calculating.

I am sat in my flat and wondering why I am isolating when half the country isn't. I can see the gardener in the communal gardens, the cleaner is cleaning my communal entrance and I can hear the traffic on Deansgate. I thought that was it last night when Boris spoke but it isn't.

Yep. My street is parallel to a main road and I have a view of the traffic going down it. It’s no different to yesterday or the day before. Not even slightly.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

I think her main point is what is improtant here.

One of the first calls were public transport private companies askong to cut services because rputes had less customers and so not profit making.

Government agreed, now reduced service see more crammed together where pictures before the reductions were showing people more spread out on emptier tubes/trains/buses.

Profits came first in this situation full services should return and limit on numbers on each carriage.


Ideally all public transport ceases but a lot of key workers will use it.

It’s madness isn’t it. If they want us to spread out, logically we need MORE trains running, not less. If there’s enough people not going to work, the same number of trains *might* be enough, but even then I can guarantee that people will not leave seats between each other. They will not wait for the next train if they see spare seats. The entire country is stupid.

 

[sir baconface]

The state of the tube pictured by a sonographer this morning:


Some businesses just aren't listening. It needs clamping down on who is essential because there is not a fucking chance all those people need to be in work this morning.

That picture on the Tube is shocking. Are the same posters still insisting everything is crystal clear about travelling to work?

 

[BlueHammer85]

It’s madness isn’t it. If they want us to spread out, logically we need MORE trains running, not less. The entire country is stupid.

yep. This will be extended with stricter measures in a couple weeks as people just don’t get the message.

 

[mcfc_ms]

It’s ridiculous how some employers are still opening when the majority can do the same job at home. The place I work at are not usually that well organised, but 3 week ago they made 50% of the building work from home, within 3 days they changed it to everyone should work from home. They took a list of every employee in the building (around 300-400 people) who didn’t have their own laptop and instantly ordered how many they needed. Within days everyone was working at home, and only our customer facing staff leaving home in absolute emergency situations.

 

[MCFC1993]

I think her main point is what is improtant here.

One of the first calls were public transport private companies asking to cut services not for public health but because routes had less customers and so not profit making.

Government agreed, now reduced service see more crammed together where pictures before the reductions were showing people more spread out on emptier tubes/trains/buses.

Profits came first in this situation full services should return and limit on numbers on each carriage if they need to stay in operation at all.


Ideally all public transport ceases but a lot of key workers will use it.

Think the issue is that too many businesses are being classed as essential, thats the fault of the government and in some circumstances the business themselves. For example in this scenario I wouldn't class construction as essential (unless they're building hospitals) but they're being classed as essential at the moment.

 

[SB Blue]

Stats by local authority, taken as a snapshot at 2pm the previous day:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-track-coronavirus-cases
Published about 4:30pm each day along with the overall stats.
Greater London is in trouble according to the daily stats. After that, the current hotspots are: Hampshire, Birningham, Hertfordshire, Cumbria and Sheffield.
Interestingly the Wolverhampton/Dudley hotspot has faded away somewhat since Friday. Probably because the people effected tend to follow the rules (Doctors, Nurses, Charity Workers etc).

I have been keeping one eye on Liverpool stats, would not be too surprised if they became a hotspot. If I read correctly they had 14 cases on 20th March, up to 35 yesterday. I said at the time that allowing 3,000 Madrid fans to travel, from what was clearly becoming a hotspot, was stupid. In the face of this virus, football just isn’t important.

 

[dave_blue12]

It's been tightened but they left open half the employment sector.

This tactic of gradually tightening of the valve tells me that they are still following their initial policy of a controlled infection.

If they had wanted to reduce transmission to the bare minimum they would have done so. This is not an oversight. We're still following the mitigation strategy, they've just tightened it somewhat. The death toll will end up higher than it otherwise would have been because of this. The public are ready for a lockdown. There is no excuse not to do it.

My take is that it’s simply incompetence.