UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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BluessinceHydeRoad said:
I think we've suspected for a long time that UEFA have very little to use against us, if anything, but this screams of the arrogance of a corrupt organisation which is sure it will never be called to account and so it can abrogate to itself the roles of prosecution, judge and jury with absolutely no concern whatsoever for due process. It's the same arrogance that leads to eight PL clubs announcing that they don't need any evidence because they know City have been breaking the rules all the time and so due process isn't necessary and appeals are a waste of time. Staggering. But City will show that they can and will be held to account and they will find it very painful.
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Their hubris is understandable. They will always have a fall guy.first Platini now C..
Old habits die hard and they feel entitled to continue to the point where the organisation they control is actually dispensable.
As individuals they have felt protected and invincible.
Collectively they are a group of megalomaniacs so they are used to not learning but feeling everything they do is correct. Eventually this catches up with them personally which I hope is the way forward for City.
 
blue aura said:
I agree. Ceferin is a lawyer, why would he be prepared to basically bankrupt Uefa on his watch?
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That's the point. He's desperately trying to avoid that very thing happening. UEFA is two organisations effectively. It's a bureaucracy, which organises competitions and supposedly enforces the rules and regulations that it's enacted itself. And it's also a member driven organisation, with a cabal of self-serving clubs at the centre who seem to be able to direct and control the enactment and enforcement of those rules and regulations and the structure and format of the competitions. Ceferin has little effective control but he wants to steer the least damaging course. That's not an option anymore though. It's all-out war now.

That's why Soriano said what he said, about not having any beef with UEFA. He was making it clear that our battle wasn't with the bureaucratic bit but with some of the member clubs.
 
blue aura said:
I agree. Ceferin is a lawyer, why would he be prepared to basically bankrupt Uefa on his watch?
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Ceferin says he has never seen the case against us. I don't believe that, but he has made a show of the IC/AC being independent. Even if the case were weak, i don't think he would interfere before hand. Maybe he even wanted it to fail; there is an internal war at UEFA and he is holding the ring.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Uefa have recently forwarded CAS everything from the Der Spiegel articles.

They have NOTHING first hand, it's truly unbelievable.

Staggering.
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I sincerely hope that your intel is correct on this one mate, we all guessed this would be the case, but if it’s actually true then fuck me, what a bunch of cûnts.
 
Dribble said:
There were two challenges to FFP, one from the lawyer of Bosman. Anyone any idea how they went/are going?
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As far as I know, the Bosman one is in limbo at the moment as it was bounced between the Belgian courts and the European one, both saying the other needed to hear the case. It's also impacted by the fact that there's no one among the appellants who can really claim to be a directly affected party. Of course, if we take over as the appellant, that all changes.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
As far as I know, the Bosman one is in limbo at the moment as it was bounced between the Belgian courts and the European one, both saying the other needed to hear the case. It's also impacted by the fact that there's no one among the appellants who can really claim to be a directly affected party. Of course, if we take over as the appellant, that all changes.
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The last I recall, the ECJ told the Bosman Lawyer to go through the Belgian courts, exhaust that process & then appeal to the ECJ.

I know City didn't want to be the catalyst which brought down FFP & UEFA/G14, but in my mind we have absolutely nothing to lose by going nuclear against the lot of them.

Surely this course of action is on City's agenda?
 
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
This was their attitude in the Bosman case when they informed the court that it had nothing to do with the law - it was up to UEFA to decide matters concerning football!
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UEFA can decide matters concerning football, however whatever decisions they make still have to be in accordance of the actual law. America once decided that black people couldn't go into certain stores or had to sit in designated areas on buses – women never used to be allowed in the vaul
blue aura said:
I agree. Ceferin is a lawyer, why would he be prepared to basically bankrupt Uefa on his watch?
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Peter Sutcliffe had a lawer, Harvey Weinstein had a shitload of the very best lawyers money can buy... Why is his being a lawyer actually relevant?!?
 
The UEFA crooks may go down the pools panel route to complete the greedy tw&ts league.

“Manchester City 0 Real Madrid 200”. away win.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
To be fair, Uefa spoke to Der Spiegel first!

We provided a certain amount of context but not so stupid as to lay it bare.

Which has since even had me wondering if City may have gamed for it to go this far?
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Starting to look like an elephant trap and the snakes have climbed in. Let’s hope so.
 
I’ve mentioned it before but if the cartel mafia and their Uefa stooges are so concerned to stop wrong doing why hasn’t CR7 been banned from football? The Der Spiegel allegations against him are far more credible and serious than anything City are accused of. City are not accused of breaking any law, Mr CR7 is accused of a very serious crime.
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
I’ve mentioned it before but if the cartel mafia and their Uefa stooges are so concerned to stop wrong doing why hasn’t CR7 been banned from football? The Der Spiegel allegations against him are far more credible and serious than anything City are accused of. City are not accused of breaking any law, Mr CR7 is accused of a very serious crime.
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CR7!!!!!
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
No. We can do so, however, at a time of our own choosing ;)

Otherwise, they have our fully compliant and audited accounts to stick up their arse.
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There will be the standard exchange of relevant documents required by CAS which will probably include the originals of the Der Spiegel emails. However, City will almost certainly ask for internal UEFA emails referencing us and FFP - that could expose a few clumsy individuals who I very much doubt will have covered their tracks too well. UEFA will have a lot more to fear from the process of disclosure and our legal team will have a hunch of what to look for - this is one of those cases where the fight is between City and UEFA but our QC will go after individuals - it’s always the best way to undermine an organisation. This looks like it’s gonna get interesting and I know some people see the G14 and UEFA as almost desperate entities; and think the G14 clubs will just walk away but the two are inextricably linked and a number of the G14s leading figures could and probably will get destroyed in this process. At best this is maladministration at worst it’s fraud.
 
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