COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[SWP's back]

As only dying after hospital treatment or as anyone being hospitalised and given treatment which arguably, could include care homes as a doctor would still be involved in treatment and death.

Someone dying in a care home is not counted as being hospitalised. I speak of this as someone with recent knowledge.

 

[sir baconface]

Testing you say? Why hasn’t anyone brought that up before? I bet the Germans are testing everyone.

No mate. They’re so mortally offended about the German measles monicker that they’ve downed tools.

 

[SWP's back]

My umbrage is neither with the figures or the way they are recorded, they make eminent sense to me.
My umbrage is with people trying to make out this is part of some macabre cover up.

Not a cover up, the people you refer to have stated that the ONS will be updating the ‘other - non hospital deaths’ once a week.

It’s simply not a fast process for two doctors to sign a death certificate. The average waiting time is just over a week according to the undertaker that explained the reason for delay to me in February.

There’s no cover up. It’s simply a time issue. FYI, the rules changed post Shipman to ensure that sort of thing can’t happen again.

 

[hilts]

We don’t need to clutter the thread we know the answer

Created in China
Covered up in China
Exported from China

And it's a virus. A virus from China called Covid-19.

Predicted by T'Pau I believe.

 

[kaz7]

Almost a given.

Would also be interesting to see those that die of respiratory conditions, as it's a given that some will be diagnosed as dying of Pneumonia when it's almost certainly Covid-19.

later on in the year when the winter death figures come out i think we will see a big rise in the numbers that are not included in the covid numbers,the bottom line if you don't test like the WHO told you to weeks ago then you are never going to know the true numbers,the stats lovers think it is an exact science but a pandemic can't be an exact science

 

[squirtyflower]

Not a cover up, the people you refer to have stated that the ONS will be updating the ‘other - non hospital deaths’ once a week.

It’s simply not a fast process for two doctors to sign a death certificate. The average waiting time is just over a week according to the undertaker that explained the reason for delay to me in February.

The ONS are releasing the figures of people who have died in the community tomorrow,the figures we get daily are just those who made it to hospital and have died of confirmed covid infection,they are clear every day it is hospital figures
Of course there will be deaths not confirmed as corona in the community,in those like i have suggested,because we have not been testing we will never know the true figures IMO

If i’m having difficulty with comprehension is because I think your point is valid but is at odd with what this poster has written, where deaths are not being attributed correctly

 

[kaz7]

Thank you for a straightforward response that doesn’t try to make out there are thousands dying around the country that we are covering up.

I read the ‘hospitalised’ bit and I could read that two ways.
As only dying after hospital treatment or as anyone being hospitalised and given treatment which arguably, could include care homes as a doctor would still be involved in treatment and death.

Clarity is needed without others jumping to conclusions that there’s a cover up.

I did not say a cover up i said not counted,very different things,the numbers are deaths in hospital

 

[squirtyflower]

I did not say a cover up i said not counted,very different things

The implication in your post was quite clear, IMO

 

[SWP's back]

I did not say a cover up i said not counted,very different things,the numbers are deaths in hospital

Every unexplained death is investigated. I’d be hugely surprised if every death due to respiratory failure is not currently being tested for Covid-19.

 

[hilts]

No mate. They’re so mortally offended about the German measles monicker that they’ve downed tools.

For clarity I have personally never found the Germans testing at all. In fact one handed me 50 euros once that I had left on their bar. If we could resist from using the phrase German testing that would be good.

 

[squirtyflower]

Every unexplained death is investigated. I’d be hugely surprised if every death due to respiratory failure is not currently being tested for Covid-19.

And I would agree with that as well

 

[cleavers]

Even in their tweets they seem to be making it clear it's hospitalised deaths, which begs the question are there any that aren't making it to hospital?

You'd hope not but it does seem a given that it's happening.


Impossible to judge anything on the new cases either as it's similar to other days but you have to put that down to limited testing.

Doesn't help that its different times on different days 5pm Sunday, 9am Monday, that's only slightly less than 3/4 of a day.

Also deaths in the community is an unknown number, unless everyone who died in the community is tested to see if it was the virus.

Pretty much all the statistics are meaningless to a degree imho, they're just headline grabbers that's all, and anyone jumping to conclusions over slightly better numbers is doing exactly that, jumping to conclusions.

 

[squirtyflower]

1415 deaths for us now

Only deaths in hospital counted,madness we have not been counting the rest,i have been saying this for a couple of weeks like those in care homes wouldn't be counted and would go down as whatever their expected death conditions were despite get battered for it

@SWP's back
This post suggests that we haven’t counted anyone outside of a hospital, in particular ignoring care home deaths

 

[SWP's back]

@SWP's back
This post suggests that we haven’t counted anyone outside of a hospital, in particular ignoring care home deaths

He’s right about only hospital deaths counted (so far until ONS update us).

I believe he’s wrong that deaths outside of hospital will never be counted. They’ll be testing everyone post mortem.

 

[Claytop]

Doesn't help that its different times on different days 5pm Sunday, 9am Monday, that's only slightly less than 3/4 of a day.

Also deaths in the community is an unknown number, unless everyone who died in the community is tested to see if it was the virus.

Pretty much all the statistics are meaningless to a degree imho, they're just headline grabbers that's all, and anyone jumping to conclusions over slightly better numbers is doing exactly that, jumping to conclusions.

The 9am is when they’re counting the tests performed. Deaths are recorded at 5pm the previous day.

 

[kaz7]

The implication in your post was quite clear, IMO

you are picking and not for the first time,you are the only one taking what i said as a cover up,i know you read all my posts so really read them,it is a complicated pic in the elderly with chronic respiratory illness who are not getting to hospital who get pneumonia and die because that is their expected mode death,we are not testing outside of what i stated before,we won't get the true numbers of those dying in the community,that is just how it is

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

What's the point of this post?

Do you want us to declare war on them? Or say that we are very, very cross indeed. Naughty, naughty China, don't do it again.

keep doing the graphs of death mate , it’s more enjoyable

 

[jimharri]

@SWP's back
This post suggests that we haven’t counted anyone outside of a hospital, in particular ignoring care home deaths

That's just been reported on the RTE news over here. Apparently, people who have died away from hospitals in the UK are not counted until it is confirmed that COVID-19 was the cause of death. Which could take a few days.

 

[cleavers]

The 9am is when they’re counting the tests performed. Deaths are recorded at 5pm the previous day.

Fair enough, but they should still make the times consistent, it prevents confusion, anyway for lots of other reasons the numbers are just a guide, and not reliable.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

It looks like Italy is on a fast downwards trend with new cases so even though the number of deaths over the last 24 hour period has increased they should start to fall rapidly fairly soon. There has been a seismic change in our behaviour nationally and that too should mean that we can reach a peak sooner rather than later. Combine that with more NHS provision plus more testing and there is a way to overcome this pandemic.