Spurs thread 2019/20

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Think you'll find that most football clubs will be going down this route within the next few weeks. Norwich are the latest. We have no idea how long this is going to go on or when football will be able to start up again. With a predicted second and even third wave to come, it might even be two years or more before we can be sure that we have beaten this virus and crowds are allowed back in stadiums.

Many far bigger and wealthier companies than even the biggest football clubs will be turning to the furlough scheme. The alternative is mass unemployment on an unprecedented scale.

It's a nice attempt to deflect blame from Spurs but lets get things straight.

Spurs paid Levy a £3m bonus today for delivering a stadium 9 months late and £400m over budget.
Spurs' players aren't losing a penny.
Spurs are the 8th richest club in the world.
Joe Lewis is worth £4.5Bn.
The rest of the Top 6 have guaranteed their staff's wages until at least August.

Norwich are a newly promoted club with owners who can't afford to prop them up, and are only furloughing as few staff as possible - and only ones who cannot do any work for the club at the moment anyway.

Levy has ruined his reputation permanently today.
 
It's a nice attempt to deflect blame from Spurs but lets get things straight.

Spurs paid Levy a £3m bonus today for delivering a stadium 9 months late and £400m over budget.
Spurs' players aren't losing a penny.
Spurs are the 8th richest club in the world.
Joe Lewis is worth £4.5Bn.
The rest of the Top 6 have guaranteed their staff's wages until at least August.

Norwich are a newly promoted club with owners who can't afford to prop them up, and are only furloughing as few staff as possible - and only ones who cannot do any work for the club at the moment anyway.

Levy has ruined his reputation permanently today.

Levy cemented his reputation in my eyes.... he’s a **** of the highest order, and this kind of stunt shows him in his true colours.
 
All players in the Premier League should give up all or some of their wages over the next 3 months and take a view after that. Shame on Spurs Norwich and Newcastle applying for furlough.
They are not our saviours,they are helping in their home countries
 
It's a nice attempt to deflect blame from Spurs but lets get things straight.

Spurs paid Levy a £3m bonus today for delivering a stadium 9 months late and £400m over budget.
Spurs' players aren't losing a penny.
Spurs are the 8th richest club in the world.
Joe Lewis is worth £4.5Bn.
The rest of the Top 6 have guaranteed their staff's wages until at least August.

Norwich are a newly promoted club with owners who can't afford to prop them up, and are only furloughing as few staff as possible - and only ones who cannot do any work for the club at the moment anyway.

Levy has ruined his reputation permanently today.

Of all the club owners in the Premier League, it was always going to be Levy and Ashley who pulled this trick. No surprise that they have been business associates in the past.

The pair of them are psychopaths.
 
The more I think of it, the bigger disgrace it is actually. Why aren’t the players taking a 0.5% weekly pay cut.

Spurs’s average player weekly wage is £75kpw.

If every player took a 0.5% pay cut for a short period, that would save £3750 per week and more than cover all the non-playing staff, they could even take a 0.3% pay cut for a few weeks and it’d work.

Instead the tax payer is paying for them. What the fuck!
Whilst not necessarily disagreeing with you, £75k a week means they’re paying £35k a week to the chancellor. And, following this, they’ll undoubtedly be paying quite a bit more.
 
It's a nice attempt to deflect blame from Spurs but lets get things straight.

Spurs paid Levy a £3m bonus today for delivering a stadium 9 months late and £400m over budget.
Spurs' players aren't losing a penny.
Spurs are the 8th richest club in the world.
Joe Lewis is worth £4.5Bn.
The rest of the Top 6 have guaranteed their staff's wages until at least August.

Norwich are a newly promoted club with owners who can't afford to prop them up, and are only furloughing as few staff as possible - and only ones who cannot do any work for the club at the moment anyway.

- Levy has ruined his reputation permanently today.

- Spurs did not pay Levy a bonus today. Or yesterday. Or the day before that. It was paid in 2019, at the end of the last financial year - long before 99.99% of the world's population had ever heard of the word coronavirus or before phrases like social distancing ever entered the common vernacular. You've been had by mischievous reporting.

- When a construction finishes late and over budget because of a major error of a highly technical, niche nature by a contractor, you don't blame the client.

- In normal circumstances, Spurs has the 8th biggest turnover in club football, granted. But with all operations indefinitely at a halt, Spurs currently has virtually no turnover at all. Spurs will also suffer a greater loss of revenue as a consequence of coronavirus than the vast majority of clubs because of the large number of high profile and lucrative non football events that were scheduled to be held at the stadium this coming summer but which have now been or will soon be cancelled.

- Joe Lewis doesn't have £4.5 billion in cash. The vast majority of his wealth is tied up in the network of companies that comprise Tavistock Group. Pretty much all of those companies will be haemorrhaging money right now too. Even so, I see why you make the point. But Daniel Levy has no such wealth. His only major asset is his shareholding in Spurs.

- The rest of the top Six don't have a £600 million stadium debt to service.

- Spurs, too, have only furloughed those members of staff who now have nothing to do. It would be illegal to furlough staff who are still working. That is the point. Those who still have work to do will still be paid by the club at 80% of their normal pay. Levy and the other directors included.

- Spurs are also hoping that a deal can be struck with the players. But the Premier League has agreed to negotiate that deal collectively. They are still waiting on agreement from the PFA. So Spurs are not yet in a position to announce a reduction in player wages too.

Lastly, while I totally get the criticism, there has been an awful lot of ignorant nonsense posted about this - largely from Spurs twitterati I might add. People saying that the wages of non playing staff are so inconsequential; that the club can easily afford to carry on paying them indefinitely etc. They haven't considered that the 20% wage reduction will be only one of a raft of cost saving measures that the club has to implement. They haven't considered that most of the revenues that might not now be forthcoming had already been allocated elsewhere. They don't understand the critical importance of cashflow. They fail to concede that company finances might be rather more complex and delicate than they like to imply.

As I said before, far bigger companies than Spurs will be availing themselves of the furlough scheme. And most, if not all, football clubs eventually will too if, as I fear, we are in this for the long haul. There may well be no crowds at football matches or even no football matches at all for a year or more. We just don't know.
 
- Spurs did not pay Levy a bonus today. Or yesterday. Or the day before that. It was paid in 2019, at the end of the last financial year - long before 99.99% of the world's population had ever heard of the word coronavirus or before phrases like social distancing ever entered the common vernacular. You've been had by mischievous reporting.

- When a construction finishes late and over budget because of a major error of a highly technical, niche nature by a contractor, you don't blame the client.

- In normal circumstances, Spurs has the 8th biggest turnover in club football, granted. But with all operations indefinitely at a halt, Spurs currently has virtually no turnover at all. Spurs will also suffer a greater loss of revenue as a consequence of coronavirus than the vast majority of clubs because of the large number of high profile and lucrative non football events that were scheduled to be held at the stadium this coming summer but which have now been or will soon be cancelled.

- Joe Lewis doesn't have £4.5 billion in cash. The vast majority of his wealth is tied up in the network of companies that comprise Tavistock Group. Pretty much all of those companies will be haemorrhaging money right now too. Even so, I see why you make the point. But Daniel Levy has no such wealth. His only major asset is his shareholding in Spurs.

- The rest of the top Six don't have a £600 million stadium debt to service.

- Spurs, too, have only furloughed those members of staff who now have nothing to do. It would be illegal to furlough staff who are still working. That is the point. Those who still have work to do will still be paid by the club at 80% of their normal pay. Levy and the other directors included.

- Spurs are also hoping that a deal can be struck with the players. But the Premier League has agreed to negotiate that deal collectively. They are still waiting on agreement from the PFA. So Spurs are not yet in a position to announce a reduction in player wages too.

Lastly, while I totally get the criticism, there has been an awful lot of ignorant nonsense posted about this - largely from Spurs twitterati I might add. People saying that the wages of non playing staff are so inconsequential; that the club can easily afford to carry on paying them indefinitely etc. They haven't considered that the 20% wage reduction will be only one of a raft of cost saving measures that the club has to implement. They haven't considered that most of the revenues that might not now be forthcoming had already been allocated elsewhere. They don't understand the critical importance of cashflow. They fail to concede that company finances might be rather more complex and delicate than they like to imply.

As I said before, far bigger companies than Spurs will be availing themselves of the furlough scheme. And most, if not all, football clubs eventually will too if, as I fear, we are in this for the long haul. There may well be no crowds at football matches or even no football matches at all for a year or more. We just don't know.
Nice, company approved answer there fella. Remind me again, who do you support?
 
@JimB

You’ll defend Spurs like we’ll defend City mate and I don’t blame you for that. I don’t mind Spurs, mostly as I wasn’t born in 1981 and I’m not bitter about that.

There’s nothing wrong with what Spurs have done generally speaking, hell I know what it’s like to have your club attacked for ridiculous things.

I would just say, and I’m sure you’ll agree, I expect all PL players to take a pay cut here and give back to staff and the people that feed them, ie the fans.

Some figures in football have donated to COVID-19 research, such as Pep €1m, De Gea £300k and I don’t think it’s too much to ask that each club’s players pay for the rest of the staff.

It’s not an anti Spurs thing, it took City far too long to agree to pay temporary staff. Football is fucking greedy these days and we’d all benefit if the cesspit had a big shake up.
 
@JimB

You’ll defend Spurs like we’ll defend City mate and I don’t blame you for that. I don’t mind Spurs, mostly as I wasn’t born in 1981 and I’m not bitter about that.

There’s nothing wrong with what Spurs have done generally speaking, hell I know what it’s like to have your club attacked for ridiculous things.

I would just say, and I’m sure you’ll agree, I expect all PL players to take a pay cut here and give back to staff and the people that feed them, ie the fans.

Some figures in football have donated to COVID-19 research, such as Pep €1m, De Gea £300k and I don’t think it’s too much to ask that each club’s players pay for the rest of the staff.

It’s not an anti Spurs thing, it took City far too long to agree to pay temporary staff. Football is fucking greedy these days and we’d all benefit if the cesspit had a big shake up.

Absolutely. I'm pretty sure that there will be an agreement with players sooner or later. Even the PFA must realise that it will reflect very badly on them and their members if they fail to take a significant pay cut. It would be nice to think that agents won't put a spanner in the works (because they would consequently see their income cut too) but I wouldn't put it past them not to give a shit.
 
I was right, though, wasn't I? That post of yours could have come from Levy himself. Talk about saccharine.

Not saccharine, no.

Just the other point of view. And one that is more informed than most, I hope.

It's so easy to read sensationalist articles with shit stirring, deliberately misleading headlines and give no thought to the actual complexities of the subject matter. I'm not saying that Spurs' decision and action was necessarily correct. I'm just saying that it isn't nearly as black and white as so many are making it out to be.

Sadly, we live in a social media world where people are ready to work themselves into a frothing rage at the drop of the hat without either facts or understanding to back them up. Twitter is poison. I won't go near it.

By the way, Bournemouth are the latest club to have announced that they are furloughing non playing staff.
 
Absolutely. I'm pretty sure that there will be an agreement with players sooner or later. Even the PFA must realise that it will reflect very badly on them and their members if they fail to take a significant pay cut. It would be nice to think that agents won't put a spanner in the works (because they would consequently see their income cut too) but I wouldn't put it past them not to give a shit.

I can’t speak for you mate but the majority of us, who are into football, are working class and disenfranchised with the greed in the game anyway.

All I want to do is pay a modest amount, see a fair game of 22 men kick a ball about and an impartial ref, which is seemingly too much to fucking ask for in 2020.

We’re in a crisis that will badly affect all British people and at this point I cannot be arsed with football banter or disagreements. I don’t even care if Liverpool are given the league. I just want society back to normal and people safe.

And it fucks me off people like Richard Branson, with multi billions, asking the British taxpayer, Britain a country he avoids paying tax in, to bail out his airline, whilst he owns a fucking island and has personal wealth of over £4bn. Bail it out yourself you long haired ****.

That’s why I’m adding PL footballers to the list too.

If anything I don’t blame Spurs and Levy, they’ve invested enough in the stadium, I blame players on £75K+ a week not willing to take even a small pay cut to ensure the people who clean their boots, carry their kit, drive them, make them food etc. don’t have to lose 20% of their relatively tiny wages.

“We’re all in this together” - are we bollocks.
 
I have a much more privileged background. I'm very aware of how lucky I have been and I hope that I will never take it for granted or be anything other than grateful. But I too pine for the days when football was simpler and more innocent; when any number of teams could realistically challenge for silverware; when supporters really supported; and when the entire population, it seemed, stopped to watch the all day build up to the FA Cup final on TV - no matter who was playing.

Wishful thinking, I know, but it would be wonderful if, in at least some small way, we could recover a sense of what is really important in sport as well as in other spheres of our lives once this virus is beaten.
 
I have a much more privileged background. I'm very aware of how lucky I have been and I hope that I will never take it for granted or be anything other than grateful. But I too pine for the days when football was simpler and more innocent; when any number of teams could realistically challenge for silverware; when supporters really supported; and when the entire population, it seemed, stopped to watch the all day build up to the FA Cup final on TV - no matter who was playing.

Wishful thinking, I know, but it would be wonderful if, in at least some small way, we could recover a sense of what is really important in sport as well as in other spheres of our lives once this virus is beaten.

Fair enough mate and I totally agree.

Don’t get me wrong it’s not poor me, I do very well for myself at my age but I come from a working class family and have that outlook still.

I see football as being “our” game, not the fucking authorities or agents or prawn sandwich eaters or even the players. Football is for the people in the stands every week, who go no matter what because it’s their team.

And it’s time those that are in such a privileged position because of nothing fucking more than our, yours and mine and every other fan’s, audience and willingness to watch, give something back especially at a time like this.
 
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