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west didsblue said:
Just had a look. If you ignore the bollocks in the Express and the Mail, it’s all fairly inconsequential. Some good and some bad. If you look hard enough you’ll see what you want to see.
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Maybe my browser is at fault, but didn't see any good - certainly nothing of use. The most effort seems to be going into shoring up their budget so the gravy train is not derailed after covid. I can't see anyone having much appetite to refinance the self serving twats which is all they seem to care about. Even the strong economies like France and Germany are going to be on their arses and too skint to prop up the rest. So far their (EU's) most generous 'offer' seems to be a one year discount on member contributions to be paid back over future years! - how kind to effectively lend people their own money! Fucking charlatans.
 
No one gives a shit about Brexit. We are conducting trade talks with absolutely no one. There will be no EU trade or future relationship talks for the foreseeable future. The only talks held recently were on the workings of the new NI protocols and both sides were miles apart and the next meeting is scheduled for...June.

UK industry in any sector will be in no position to implement any new trade, regulatory or immigration regime by Dec 31st and the UK Govt is in no position to negotiate one and even if it were there is no one to negotiate with.

People need to get real.
 
BobKowalski said:
No one gives a shit about Brexit. We are conducting trade talks with absolutely no one. There will be no EU trade or future relationship talks for the foreseeable future. The only talks held recently were on the workings of the new NI protocols and both sides were miles apart and the next meeting is scheduled for...June.

UK industry in any sector will be in no position to implement any new trade, regulatory or immigration regime by Dec 31st and the UK Govt is in no position to negotiate one and even if it were there is no one to negotiate with.

People need to get real.
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Absolutely. 'No deal' appears to be the only option.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Absolutely. 'No deal' appears to be the only option.
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How is British industry going to cope with an overnight change in regime on trade, regulations and immigration on Dec 31st? God knows what shape we will be in at the end if the year and you think applying the coup de grace to the back of industry’s head is the only option? The UK Govt can’t even get vital equipment to staff or it’s testing program up and running so fuck knows how it can cope with preparing for a no deal option given it would need to be doing so right now not in three or six months time. You would think with the current shit going down we would have enough of people burbling on about simple solutions to complex problems.

The only logical option is you extend the grace period until Dec 31st 2022. We have no idea what sort of world we will be dealing with once this is over. We have no idea what the EU will look like or how this crisis will shape it either.

We ain’t in Kansas anymore.
 
BobKowalski said:
How is British industry going to cope with an overnight change in regime on trade, regulations and immigration on Dec 31st? God knows what shape we will be in at the end if the year and you think applying the coup de grace to the back of industry’s head is the only option? The UK Govt can’t even get vital equipment to staff or it’s testing program up and running so fuck knows how it can cope with preparing for a no deal option given it would need to be doing so right now not in three or six months time. You would think with the current shit going down we would have enough of people burbling on about simple solutions to complex problems.

The only logical option is you extend the grace period until Dec 31st 2022. We have no idea what sort of world we will be dealing with once this is over. We have no idea what the EU will look like or how this crisis will shape it either.

We ain’t in Kansas anymore.
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No deal doesn't require preparation. It's a 'deal' that does.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Maybe my browser is at fault, but didn't see any good - certainly nothing of use. The most effort seems to be going into shoring up their budget so the gravy train is not derailed after covid. I can't see anyone having much appetite to refinance the self serving twats which is all they seem to care about. Even the strong economies like France and Germany are going to be on their arses and too skint to prop up the rest. So far their (EU's) most generous 'offer' seems to be a one year discount on member contributions to be paid back over future years! - how kind to effectively lend people their own money! Fucking charlatans.
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https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/FS_20_552
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Probably, but Boris can get away with blaming it all on the virus, just as remainers blame everything on brexit. The overall ineptitude and ineffectiveness of the EU in the face of this crisis actually brings some comfort to those of us worried about federalism or the establishment of an EU army. Aside from extracting money off member states and creating redundant bureaucracy they are clearly about as much use as tits on fish.
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Healthcare is a devolved responsibility within the Eu. (Which is why Westminster could devolve responsibility to Scotland , Wales etc & Northern Ireland could have anti abortion legislation until recently ) The Eu has made 37 billion euro funds available for each member state (The UK got £2.8 billion) and has co-ordinated the bulk purchase of medical supplies and equipment .As you are aware the UK declined to participate which is why the Government managed to purchase just 30 ventilators in a week and why our front line staff are totally unprotected, five doctors have died and no one is being tested (if you believe that the current Government cant purchase them)

However Eu members are helping each other out with Germany air lifting patients out of Italy and Holland. The Eu are more focused on resolving the Socio Economic impact of the pandemic when all this is over.. and are looking to fill the capacity created by the UK leaving by gearing up their industry and production capability.

I would question which particular body is as much use as tits on fish.
 
hgblue said:
Brexit isn’t, and never was, about cutting ourselves off from our nearest neighbours. Friendship, trade and cooperation are perfectly possible now that we’re out. Now could be the perfect time to be thinking about our future relationship. Neither side are in a position for these talks to fail.
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This Virus is the game changer. They don't want a future relationship. They are looking to solve the unemployment crisis created by the pandemic by increasing production within their own industries. There is nothing that we make or produce that they cannot make themselves .
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
This Virus is the game changer. They don't want a future relationship. They are looking to solve the unemployment crisis created by the pandemic by increasing production within their own industries. There is nothing that we make or produce that they cannot make themselves .
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In order to solve their unemployment crisis they don’t want a future relationship with their most important export market? Sounds sensible ;)
 
hgblue said:
In order to solve their unemployment crisis they don’t want a future relationship with their most important export market? Sounds sensible ;)
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the most important market the HAD. Post virus our economy will be shattered and nowhere near as valuable to them as it was.
 
The same people who were utterly unable to understand the profound and irrevocable damage that leaving the EU would do to our economy seem utterly unable to see the damage that this virus will do.

The economy has collapsed already. This country has not seen anything like this since the war. The Brexit damage is small beer compared to what this will do, which is why we will need every single tool at our disposal to rebuild. Trade tariffs will stunt our growth massively when things do turn around and we will be left behind for generations.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Healthcare is a devolved responsibility within the Eu. (Which is why Westminster could devolve responsibility to Scotland , Wales etc & Northern Ireland could have anti abortion legislation until recently ) The Eu has made 37 billion euro funds available for each member state (The UK got £2.8 billion) and has co-ordinated the bulk purchase of medical supplies and equipment .As you are aware the UK declined to participate which is why the Government managed to purchase just 30 ventilators in a week and why our front line staff are totally unprotected, five doctors have died and no one is being tested (if you believe that the current Government cant purchase them)

However Eu members are helping each other out with Germany air lifting patients out of Italy and Holland. The Eu are more focused on resolving the Socio Economic impact of the pandemic when all this is over.. and are looking to fill the capacity created by the UK leaving by gearing up their industry and production capability.

I would question which particular body is as much use as tits on fish.
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I'd expect a fish with tits to cost less than propping up the shattered post covid EU economy. We are(were) one of four huge net contributors to the project that will be expected to foot the bill for the EU project as well as somehow salvage ourown economy. We need to get the fuck out of dodge before we get sucked further down by its collapse
 
bluethrunthru said:
the most important market the HAD. Post virus our economy will be shattered and nowhere near as valuable to them as it was.
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Where's our food going to come from? Unless people here get desperate for any work, without EU workers we will not get food out of the ground.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It is serious - nothing can get flown in at the moment either

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-52109351

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52109833
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But Hancock says Brexit means we are so aware of our supply chains * - that we now know realise we're stuffed.

* He means we didn't know when we voted to leave the EU.

Re the first link (no flights to get people here) - at least one East Anglia grower is trying to recruit in Bulgaria and Romania and charter flights to get people here.

Luckily, a small number of Eastern Europeans have stuck around in the UK, and will be able to provide leadership and expertise to newcomers. “They’re really important to us because they’re the people that return year after year, who have the skills to be able to effectively harvest,” Gardiner says. “And they’ll keep the people that are coming out to work with us – and who’ve never been in the field before – safe.” G’s is exploring ways of beefing up that contingent, for instance by organising charter flights to carry over enough expert returnee workers, but with fresh lockdowns in Romania and restrictions across Europe, Gardiner says “that window for bringing people is closing at the moment”.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-farms-uk-brexit
 
Didsbury Dave said:
The same people who were utterly unable to understand the profound and irrevocable damage that leaving the EU would do to our economy seem utterly unable to see the damage that this virus will do.

The economy has collapsed already. This country has not seen anything like this since the war. The Brexit damage is small beer compared to what this will do, which is why we will need every single tool at our disposal to rebuild. Trade tariffs will stunt our growth massively when things do turn around and we will be left behind for generations.
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I think that the current virus situation has just shown how fragile our economy is ....a house of cards.
 
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