Uncle Wally One Ball
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All able people except I would argue Ashworth who hasnt set the world alight with what Ive heard from him anyway
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I wouldn’t say the New Labour bunch are such and Starmer seems a totally reasonable man.
He’s got a sense of maturity about him.
I’ll have to see their manifesto first but he seems capable.
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This is a BS view.
How is Kier who is very much soft left - bang in the middle of the spectrum of labour supporters a cult figure. He is a bit too left for me as i'm a Blairite centrist. If a proper blairite won the nomination then yes you could say that there were two cults at work but the reason that Keir won a landslide is he is Soft left and a Corbyn ally. He held a high position in Corbyns cabinet as he was trusted by the cult, be he was never part of it but neither was he part of anything else. There were plenty of centrist labour members who were considering leaving the party but Keir was not part of that. He was the stand out candidate because he was quite clearly appealing across the full spectrum of the party not to either extreme.
Any way Burgon has just been given the boot - yipee.
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We can all be happy that dozy twat burgon is gone as a staunch left winger myself he got on my tits.
On the other point, Labpur is stuck between two focus grpups power struggle, Progress a neo-liberal soft capitalist lot and mommentum left wing ideologues, either gaining control is bad for the party
I would put starmer in the middle of them rather than an acolyte of either.
His job now is to balalnce the two factions, as the scorched earth policy of both the last 40 years sees this party implosion every decade or two
The perfect fumble
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Blairite centrist? This is Orwellian! Blairite centrists, as you call them, are not at the centre of anything, it's akin to saying an apple is at the centre between an orange and a banana.
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Burgon losing his position within the cabinet as well.
Maybe Starmer is on to something by undoing all the poisonous appointments of the last 4 years.
Maybe Starmer is on to something by undoing all the poisonous appointments of the last 4 years.
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I think you will find that blairites such as myself are pretty close to the central point of UK political thinking.
The mind set of the hard left is that the only solution is a hard left big state approach and those that dont support it need to be convinced to support it - it is destined to failure every time. The blairites accept that you will never convince enough people and the only way to win power is to set out your stall just to the left of center and gain enough support to win power and turn the dial slowly.
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Can you have a centrist cult though?
You never really hear "he's a fundamentalist moderate".
For me, the whole idea of being a centrist is that you're not in a cult. You're open to ideas from either side of the political divide.
A far-right cult, definitely. A far-left cult, without a doubt. But a moderate cult? Isn't that an oxymoron?
The rest of your post makes sense but this doesn’t, neoliberalism is extreme capitalism, not soft. A neoliberal state has no or very little public funding and that’s not New Labour/Blairite policy.
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Momentum will be sharpening their knives as we speak.
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urban genie
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No it isn't it is capitalism with a social conscience but a reliance o na free market
This might help.
For me the perfect is conservative socially and moderate economically.
That’s not neoliberalism.
Blairite politics involves a big safety net for people, mass investment in public services etc. whilst having a competitive private sector.
Neoliberalism is leaving everything to the market.
It would be Osbourne’s period of Chancellorship, if he’d have binned the NHS completely, in favour of private hospitals and an American system.
jay_mcfc
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Gonna be a lot of ‘traditional’ Labour supporters flocking back to Labour with this wipeout of the left. Or so we’re told anyway.
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So, austerity then? ;-)
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There will be a lot of the Labour supporters flocking back who've backed them when they've "traditionally" won elections in the last 50 years, that's for sure.
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With respect and I mean that, this is utter tosh. The third way is a distinct political ideology, it is not in the middle of anything.
A brief history of the third way
As Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson host a Downing Street seminar to revive the so-called third way, Anne Mellbye looks back at the development of New Labour's ideology
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/feb/10/labour.uk1
This is the central lie at the root of the third way.....
Prof Giddens argued that reformist governments could no longer rely on traditional statist programmes in the face of powerful global financial forces. Instead, political parties could generate significant consensual support by campaigning from the centre, while remaining committed to radical measures. He therefore advised New Labour not to be afraid of being called conservative.
And there you have it, you campaign from the centre, by redefining the centre to the point of meaninglessness, while re-labelling conservatism as new Labour.
Why didn't I think of that!
You did Dave, you did.
Blairite economics with traditional views.
The SDP are the closest to me personally, Blue Labour possibly.
We need a competitive private sector that thrives.
With respect and I mean that, this is utter tosh. The third way is a distinct political ideology, it is not in the middle of anything.
A brief history of the third way
As Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson host a Downing Street seminar to revive the so-called third way, Anne Mellbye looks back at the development of New Labour's ideology
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/feb/10/labour.uk1
This is the central lie at the root of the third way.....
Prof Giddens argued that reformist governments could no longer rely on traditional statist programmes in the face of powerful global financial forces. Instead, political parties could generate significant consensual support by campaigning from the centre, while remaining committed to radical measures. He therefore advised New Labour not to be afraid of being called conservative.
And there you have it, you campaign from the centre, by redefining the centre to the point of meaninglessness, while re-labelling conservatism as new Labour.
Why didn't I think of that!
You did Dave, you did.
That’s not Third Way politics, if you’re going to sneer at something at least learn to know what it is.
In layman’s terms it’s selecting each policy on merit, often choosing from both the left and the right for different policies.
It’s successful because it’s a mature approach and objective, not driven by ideology, which Corbynism is.
A Blairite would never nationalise the broadband industry, as it’s a fucking stupid idea, whereas Corbyn and McDonnell wanted to because, well they’re socialists, even though it would have ruined the industry and lost many jobs.