COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Psychedelic Casual said:
Hopefully! But if it mutates to the point where vaccines need to be updated every year then it could be with us for a long time. It wouldn’t take much for someone to travel to a country that won’t be able to afford to vaccinate its entire population and bring a new strain back and its amongst the population here again.
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Very unlikely that mate, it’s a great deal less complex than the Flu:

https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-vaccine
 
Blue Elvis said:
Came across some sobering statistics today.

The latest ONS statistics on annual mortality and population in England (published in February 2018 for the earlier year of 2016 ) showed that in 2016 46.9% of people died in hospital, 21.8% in care homes, 23.5% at home, 5.7% in hospices.

The trend was for deaths in hospital to be falling from 57.9 % in 2004 with deaths outside hospitals increasing.

Assuming that trend has continued since 2016 , the deaths being shown on TV based on hospital deaths only suggests we are massively underestimating how many people have died from the effects of COVID -19 in England.

If this is replicated worldwide the situation is much worse than it appears. We must do what we can & hope our loved ones survive .

Stay safe people !
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I wouldn’t read too much into that mate for two reasons:

1) For late life care, they do everything possible to ensure someone can die at home rather than in a hospital or hospice and they move mountains to achieve that aim. That’s why more people die at home than they did in previous recent times.

2) People seriously ill with covid-19, unless very old and in nursing homes, are treated in hospital. It’s not like sending someone home to die with cancer on morphine. Therefore the vast majority of Cv deaths will be in hospitals.
 
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SidJames said:
Obviously you know this being privy to Trump most inner thoughts and feelings.

Trump is just making a nice gesture to US closest partner.

Theres no need to see it any different.
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There’s no need to see the situation as one of Bill Gates trying to take over the world and enslave us but that doesn’t stop you from trying.
 
Summerbuzz said:
Got a friend who's just qualified as early years, she's volunteering at a school. Won't stop going in. She's got health conditions too but survived viral meningitis and a car crash last year so maybe I should expect her to be the last one standing when the rest of us all are wiped out by the WW3 and return of the bubonic plague. Has another health condition, or two, or three. Won't give up smoking. Jesus christ. Started because I invited her out for smoke breaks by accident because I thought she already did it!


Random anecdote. There was a dead rat near to one of the entrances to these flats today. Big fucker. 8 inches plus, not including tail. I'd seen him, or his family, a few times in the previous week, scurrying between the wheelie bins and hedges outside our windows. And there he was, just laying in the middle of the busy path. Like he'd been put on display.

I don't know what got him, I assume it was a cat because there are plenty round here - but if that's the case I want to meet this cat and get onside with him, maybe swap training tips or something - not only because of the size of the quarry, but I was struck by the lack of obvious gore. No entrails or sinew. No signs of a fight, or even an particularly obvious lethal blow. I'm no pathologist, nor even a taxidermist, but that must have been clinical, straight through the spinal column, or possibly the jugular. Probably a professionally trained international hit-cat. David Attenborough highlights stuff.

Four flies feeding on the blood were disturbed by my approach and flew off, glinting green in the bright sun. Eww. Being the proactive and social type, I repurposed my disgust to serve the collective good. Sacrificing my Morissons bag, I carefully removed the corpse - without ever coming close to touching the corpse (or a part of the bag that the corpse had touched) by doing the thing where you turn it inside out first and then grab it. Straight in the wheelie bin, which felt off, but was the only thing I could think of aside from calling 999, or wandering the streets rat-in-bag in-hand, searching for a better site for its disposal.

Of all the things right now. That massive, fat, rat right were everyone walks home, laid out neatly in the glorious sun, like a fillet of beef waiting to be seasoned by Jamie Oliver. I can feel the weight of it in my hands now. I repeat: Eww!

We did get rid of the bubonic plague, didn't we?
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no we didn’t.
The bacterium that caused it pops up now again.
 
SWP's back said:
I wouldn’t read too much into that mate for two reasons:

1) For late life care, they do everything possible to ensure someone can die at home rather than in a hospital or hospice and they move mountains to achieve that aim. That’s why more people die at home than they did in previous recent times.

2) People seriously ill with covid-19, unless very old and in nursing homes, are treated in hospital. It’s not like sending someone home to die with cancer on morphine. Therefore the vast majority of Cv deaths will be in hospitals.
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ONS are now producing mortality figures from COVID 19 each Tuesday based on information shown on registered death certificates. Will show a significant difference to current Government figures.

I expect the true mortality rate won’t be known until well after the pandemic has ended ( fingers crossed).
Stay safe !
 
Crouchinho said:
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There's a massive contradiction in what he's saying. He seems to be advocating the traditional approach of quarantining sick, vulnerable and infectious individuals rather than enforcing mass quarantines. Yet at the same time he's telling us that up to 70% of the population could have been infected. You simply can't have it both ways (without testing the entire population for antibodies).
 
As much as I can’t wait for some normality, I merely see the current virus situation as a temporary wave. We will see over the next few weeks a gradual decline in cases and deaths to Covid-19 and a gradual return to work for the masses. This is likely to be only temporary.

The fact is there are 67m people in our country alone. We have limited outcomes, one outcome is not contracting the virus, those that don’t contract this virus will then have to hold out for a vaccine and that is still well off. Those that do contract the virus, hope this doesn’t kill them or infect those close to them.

Most of the population will get by without contracting the virus in this wave but then Covid-19 will likely return in the Cold/Flu season from November and it will be rinse /repeat of what we have seen now. This will be repeated in other countries too.

It would be naive to expect this virus to disappear in a few weeks and not return, this is like smallpox and will only rescind once a vaccine is found that works.

For those who are optimistic, that’s fine we need optimistic people, but for me I prepare for the worst and hope for the best. In this situation that is all I can offer for now.
 
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Dubai Blue said:
There's a massive contradiction in what he's saying. He seems to be advocating the traditional approach of quarantining sick, vulnerable and infectious individuals rather than enforcing mass quarantines. Yet at the same time he's telling us that up to 70% of the population could have been infected. You simply can't have it both ways (without testing the entire population for antibodies).
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I couldn’t get past 7 minutes. I’d had enough of the (not so) subtle language of ‘take your kids’ and ‘presumably by force’

The comments under the video on YouTube are mental. Some are probably bots but some will be real - bonkers
 
bluethrunthru said:
for the avoidance of any doubt Charles Moore is a ****

Clarke@doctor_oxford

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Apr 5

So
@Telegraph
has really decided to ratchet up the blame game. Yep, it's the *NHS* who's to blame for the #COVID19 lockdown. Oh - and US style healthcare would be better. NHS staff - who's with me in boycotting@telegraphadvertisers? Because this kind of accusation stinks.
EU3ukIrWoAElr3K
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Can’t read the article as it’s behind a paywall, but does he actually defend an American-style healthcare system? Because if so, he’s in for a horrible shock in the next few weeks, I strongly suspect.
 
Gove hitting the media airwaves in his best suit from 7.30am stressing words like 'collective' 'team' etc and keen to point out other cabinet and departmental groups not chaired by Raab which are delivering the PMs objectives. The house of cards is in play.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The schools are still open over Easter holidays.

My wife is SEN teacher and currently 'looking after' seven kids aged between three and 11.

It is now causing a real issue between us. We have two kids of our own and there would be zero exposure otherwise.

Four of the kids are from NHS workers. No safety measures.
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Hi Mate
The advice given to most headteachers is to do a rota for staff so that they are not in every day, particularly over the Easter holidays. in fact there was a joint communique from all of the unions telling schools to give all staff two weeks holiday over the lockdown period so they weren’t ‘losing out’ on their Easter holidays.

some schools have only three staff in at a time, someone on the Leadership team and two classroom teachers
 
Summerbuzz said:
Got a friend who's just qualified as early years, she's volunteering at a school. Won't stop going in. She's got health conditions too but survived viral meningitis and a car crash last year so maybe I should expect her to be the last one standing when the rest of us all are wiped out by the WW3 and return of the bubonic plague. Has another health condition, or two, or three. Won't give up smoking. Jesus christ. Started because I invited her out for smoke breaks by accident because I thought she already did it!


Random anecdote. There was a dead rat near to one of the entrances to these flats today. Big fucker. 8 inches plus, not including tail. I'd seen him, or his family, a few times in the previous week, scurrying between the wheelie bins and hedges outside our windows. And there he was, just laying in the middle of the busy path. Like he'd been put on display.

I don't know what got him, I assume it was a cat because there are plenty round here - but if that's the case I want to meet this cat and get onside with him, maybe swap training tips or something - not only because of the size of the quarry, but I was struck by the lack of obvious gore. No entrails or sinew. No signs of a fight, or even an particularly obvious lethal blow. I'm no pathologist, nor even a taxidermist, but that must have been clinical, straight through the spinal column, or possibly the jugular. Probably a professionally trained international hit-cat. David Attenborough highlights stuff.

Four flies feeding on the blood were disturbed by my approach and flew off, glinting green in the bright sun. Eww. Being the proactive and social type, I repurposed my disgust to serve the collective good. Sacrificing my Morissons bag, I carefully removed the corpse - without ever coming close to touching the corpse (or a part of the bag that the corpse had touched) by doing the thing where you turn it inside out first and then grab it. Straight in the wheelie bin, which felt off, but was the only thing I could think of aside from calling 999, or wandering the streets rat-in-bag in-hand, searching for a better site for its disposal.

Of all the things right now. That massive, fat, rat right were everyone walks home, laid out neatly in the glorious sun, like a fillet of beef waiting to be seasoned by Jamie Oliver. I can feel the weight of it in my hands now. I repeat: Eww!

We did get rid of the bubonic plague, didn't we?
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No, on average 7 people a year get bubonic plague (range: 1-17) worldwide.
https://www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/index.html
 
I think the Americans maybe getting close to effective therapeutics, or perhaps identifying pre-existing therapeutics as having some effect.
 
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