COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Bazzmand Show]

'treat staff, police and others with respect' - what sort of place is it to need that on a council notice....

Yeah agreed, big of a fucking disgrace really. A lot of the general public have let themselves down throughout this.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I presume you're talking about Spain? As for Italy, I guess we'll be on a steeper curve than them no matter where the curve starts if we're not already there.

Seriously, no we're not.
We're highlighting all the non hospital deaths a week later via the ONS too.
As far as I can see, only France has really started to do the catch up as well.
When we get the Retrospectoscopes out at the end of the 2nd quarter then we'll be able to see the actual truth of it

 

[kaz7]

Posted earlier but only 140 are yesterdays, the rest mainly from 1st April until 7th , but 56 from mid to end of March too. Then again doesn’t include care homes etc. Which is why I bang on about not following daily death numbers.

What is wrong with people wanting to follow the death rate? It is shocking,they are real people,we want to se a lower number,desperately

 

[SWP's back]

Having lived through the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 before surviving two world wars, Ada Zanusso tested positive for coronavirus at age 103 – and her doctors thought her fate was sealed

"One day she opened her eyes again and resumed doing what she used to before," Dr Furno Marchese explained

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-103-year-old-woman-recovers-from-covid-19-11971196

Nice story

It’s very sweet although she lived through Spanish Flu as much as I lived through the Falklands.

 

[mackenzie]

Big shout for Bluebell Nursing Home in Salford for me tonight.
It's my mum's birthday today (74) and although we were estranged for many years because of her mental illness from being a young mum, we have built bridges in the last 4 years.
She didn't know it was her birthday but when she came to the phone and I wished her happy birthday she then turned round and told the care staff. They then proceeded to sing happy birthday to her, and one of the staff then came back on the phone to say my mum's beam of a smile had been the best thing they had seen all day.
Fantastic staff.

 

[True_Blue69]

Not sure if thats a genuine question?

Unless it’s a China style your doors are getting welded shut lockdown, it is not going to go away. It isn’t going to in Spain, Italy or America. Until there is a cure or vaccine the best we can do is not overwhelm the NHS. All my opinion of course but I can’t see how we can realistically completely get rid of it, unless it behaves like other viruses and dies off in summer, where ironically it’s everyone being outside that would kill it.

 

[twosips]

We’ve been warned many times though about comparing daily death figures. We know today we have added in figures form as far back as mid March, we know France have had huge spikes doing the same as far as I know Spain haven’t yet done that. We won’t know the true figures for total deaths in any country until long after only then can we compare them.
The only thing we do know for certain are the numbers in critical care and if we keep our numbers there below Spain there is no reason to think when we look back we’ll have vastly more deaths. At the moment despite not having the same lock down as Spain we seem to be keeping infection and critical care numbers below theirs, if we weren’t the government would probably harden the current restrictions.

Warned by the government, and the ones trying to justify their decisions? Of course they'll stand by them! Do you have the numbers for critical care cases in both countries? Would be good to see them. It's worth considering that ours won't slow anywhere near as much as theirs - why would they given the nature of the lockdown?

 

[SWP's back]

What is wrong with people wanting to follow the death rate? It is shocking,they are real people,we want to se a lower number,desperately

Because many keep hearing how many deaths “we’ve had in a day” is so “bleak” and comparing it to Italy when our figures aren’t based on deaths in a 24 hour period and thus can’t (and shouldn’t) be compared directly.

It’s like reporting how many points City have recorded after a win and bemoaning the fact the Liverpool scored more points “today” when collating Liverpool’s points over a three week period.

 

[kaz7]

Because many keep heating how many deaths “we’ve had in a day” is so “bleak” and comparing it to Italy when out figures aren’t based on deaths in a 24 hour period and this can’t be compared directly.

It’s like reporting how many points City have recorded after a win and bemoaning the fact the Liverpool scored more points “today” when collating Liverpool’s points over a three week period.

I know they are not strictly a day by day total but i doubt anyones is,however they are reported the number is going up and is going to keep going up,we are all feeling this in our own way i guess

 

[twosips]

Because many keep heating how many deaths “we’ve had in a day” is so “bleak” and comparing it to Italy when out figures aren’t based on deaths in a 24 hour period and thus can’t (and shouldn’t) be compared directly.

It’s like reporting how many points City have recorded after a win and bemoaning the fact the Liverpool scored more points “today” when collating Liverpool’s points over a three week period.

Can you actually confirm though that Italy aren't doing the same thing? Isn't it logical to just presume everyone is backlogging often due to the insane nature of what every country is going through? Why are they going to be doing any differently to us?

I also don't get how anyone can be annoyed at anyone for being upset at hearing about 900 deaths. It's not exactly not bleak is it ffs? Unless you think its totally fine?

 

[blueparrot]

Warned by the government, and the ones trying to justify their decisions? Of course they'll stand by them! Do you have the numbers for critical care cases in both countries? Would be good to see them. It's worth considering that ours won't slow anywhere near as much as theirs - why would they given the nature of the lockdown?

We have the ones for the UK and can see the flattening, can’t say I’ve seen any for any other country though.

 

[Summerbuzz]

It’s very sweet although she lived through Spanish Flu as much as I lived through the Falklands.

The Govt are looking into forging medals for everyone involved in the Falklands as a way of boosting public morale. In order to qualify, you must publicly state your belief that there was clearly nothing more than pure chance involved in the number plate 1984 FKL ending up on Jeremy Clarkson's car as they filmed him driving around southern Argentina winding the locals up.

 

[twosips]

Just before everyone completely looses their logical minds.

Population in Millions roughly:
Germany 83
UK 67 (add 10 more for illegals if you like)
France 65
Italy 60
Spain 46


Germany are the outlier when it comes to deaths as they have some magic beans or something.

Everyone else: total mortalities will eventually be proportional to population size unless you fuck up.

So yes the UK will have higher weekly totals than both Italy and Spain and eventually a higher number of deaths.

The virus really doesn't give a shit about how severe your "lockdown" is. It will get you in the end. Lockdowns just slow it a bit.

By the way, exactly what kind of lockdowns are there in Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden (yeah we know9, France? And how effective is the lockdown in Spain right now?

BosnianBlue lives in a country where the perception of personal freedom is very different to the UK. It shows in his/her posts as a disregard for the delicacy shown by the UK government. That is an observation not a criticism by the way.

I live in Switzerland and the park has been full all day today.

It is what it is and it will end where it ends. You can let that hurt you and scream about it or you can be a little stoic. If enough people scream no-one will be able to hear the occasional words of wisdom over the din.

I'm cracking open the chateaupneuf du pape and thinking of those I love and love me tonight. How about you?

While I get your point, you can't just randomly randomly add 10 million more people onto our country to further emphasise a point like that. As if other countries don't have huge amounts of that too.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

In my opinion, we have a lock down "light" in the UK with the intention of protecting the NHS so that ICU capacity is not breached. If we don't have full compliance with lock down light, it might not matter? Maybe 90% compliance will be enough to protect the NHS?

Eventually the virus will probably infect most people, regardless of lockdown. It's just when the virus infects you not if?

 

[twosips]

We have the ones for the UK and can see the flattening, can’t say I’ve seen any for any other country though.

So we don't know if our numbers of critical care are different to Spain's then? Can you show me the figures for the UK please. Curious to see them.

 

[blueparrot]

So we don't know if our numbers of critical care are different to Spain's then? Can you show me the figures for the UK please. Curious to see them.

https://storify.com/services/proxy/...0Qyaf_graph 4 - patients in critical care.PNG

 

[Summerbuzz]

On a more serious note, my mother died in a care home on Wednesday, and I've heard an awful lot of ambulances driving around today. Thanks to everyone for making this such a decent place to hang out and deal with the pandmeic, it's helped me stay in a good frame of mind.

 

[SilverFox2]

Yes. Good point.

Depletion in new recruit numbers for years, lots have left the force over pay or other factors, and now a chunk of them are isolating.

Prior to CV problem I was talking to an ex GLC sergeant who now initiates recruits and then he told me they were looking for 20k so what with very few police now streetwise and mostly in cars or deskbound ithink the task relies on an understanding public.

 

[George Hannah]

Just before everyone completely loses their logical minds. The virus really doesn't give a shit about how severe your "lockdown" is. It will get you in the end. Lockdowns just slow it a bit....

Well, logical or not, my plan - in common I suspect with many others of my age - is not to catch it at all and the lockdown improves my chances.

 

[George Hannah]

Boris out of intensive care - hoorah!!