The Labour Party

[Ban-jani]

Jeremy Corbyn tried to have Ken Livingstone expelled from the party. The right of the party (note: right of the party, not right wingers) purposefully gave Livingstone a soft punishment so that Corbyn looks bad and to 'create a crisis'.

If they did that in this one instance and it involved a prominent mp like Tom Watson and the wife of another, what else have they done to sabotage Labour's ability to punish proven antisemites?

If they hadn't sabotaged the entire campaign in 2017, would JC be pm?

It's all there in the report if you want o read it. Maybe, just maybe the weirdos on the far left were right about the intentions of the right to do everything in their power to stop a left Labour government.

This sounds like night of the long knives blaming those you disagree with internally for failings.

Let’s just say this is true, for a second, and Blairites DID try and sabotage proceedings for known antisemites, Corbyn has still let them set the tone and hasn’t even controlled the disciplinary procedure, letting his internal rivals oversee it for his old allies.

Of course anyone who did this should be sacked and banished from the party in total shame, it’s almost as bad as the antisemitism itself, purposefully manipulating things in that way.

But that makes Corbyn utterly useless if true and it still means it’s his fault for 2017, let’s remember the Tories were in total crisis themselves with a very weak leader.

Watson is a known contrarian internally for the sake of being so, he was during the Blair years but it means that Corbyn put in a position of power and lost control.

Playing Devil’s advocate the Blairites will say any act of sabotage, if there is any, that they wanted to oust Corbyn to get into a winning position.

The truth is Corbyn had a fair whack in December and got his manifesto, Brexit policy and himself very wrong.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Didn't realise there were so many dippers on here.

 

[blue cigar]

It’s not foaming at the mouth or not taking criticism it’s the calling out of a group of hard left cowards who snipe from the sides without engaging in the actual topic.

Always seems to be late at night when you’ve had a couple and feel a tiny bit braver.

Such as that little boy @bellbuzzer who just likes everything that’s personal against me but doesn’t ever get involved.

The fact is my point was backed up by an ex mod who is Jewish and I see none of you cunts have bothered to reply to that.

You engage in ganging up but duck the topic.

The fact most of you are middle aged and engage in school yard tactics just shows how miserable your lives must be.

See ,thats the problem, just fire off presumptions about people, group them together to form some sort of siege mentality and insult. I don't need to be brave to post whatever the time, why is it brave, do you think people are scared of you!! I don't gang up with people, I post when I see something wrong and then you usually become aggressive and then it all starts. Are you a mod?

 

[urban genie]

Didn't realise there were so many dippers on here.

Entitled, easily outraged, tendancy to insult and have a rant amd claim being abused.

Well if you look at it that way, yeah the tories on here are a lot like the scouse fans ;-)

 

[Ban-jani]

See ,thats the problem, just fire off presumptions about people, group them together to form some sort of siege mentality and insult. I don't need to be brave to post whatever the time, why is it brave, do you think people are scared of you!! I don't gang up with people, I post when I see something wrong and then you usually become aggressive and then it all starts. Are you a mod?

You’re part of that group of cultists, I’ve seen your posts.

No I’m not a mod, are you?

You’re the one that felt the need to get involved when it had fuck all to do with you.

Rather than coming on to make personal attacks, why don’t you actually tackle anything I’ve said on Labour?

No I don’t think people are scared of me, it’s just you all chirp up when you’ve had a drink, like a bunch of schoolboys with a bit of Dutch courage.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Fair enough, but try not to get in the gutter with them or you all get covered in shit. I still like to think that despite the range of views on here we are not among any actual extremists. I realise statistically speaking we may be in the company of the odd murderer but like to give the the benefit of the doubt :-)

I love how I have been pigeonholed as far left for having the temerity to question our PM‘s approach.

It probably justifies his throwing out of insults willy nilly.

I’m giving up posting in this subsection for an unlimited time as it’s the same cyclical arguments repeatedly that end up in insults being thrown by the same people to the same people.

The worst culprits aren’t aware that they do it. I probably was one until yesterday, but having had time to reflect, I’ve decided that I’m not going to throw out insults anymore and to be sure of that, I’m not going to debate with people I don’t know. There’s no point. They won’t change their opinion; I’m not likely to change my opinion by some randomer that has a penchant for insulting others.

All parties should be questioned constantly. All answers should be related to that party not by whataboutism in the opposite party.

Stay safe everyone.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You’re part of that group of cultists, I’ve seen your posts.

No I’m not a mod, are you?

You’re the one that felt the need to get involved when it had fuck all to do with you.

Rather than coming on to make personal attacks, why don’t you actually tackle anything I’ve said on Labour?

No I don’t think people are scared of me, it’s just you all chirp up when you’ve had a drink, like a bunch of schoolboys with a bit of Dutch courage.

It seems like you're always the victim and it's never your fault? :-(

 

[urban genie]

I love how I have been pigeonholed as far left for having the temerity to question our PM‘s approach.

It probably justifies his throwing out of insults willy nilly.

I’m giving up posting in this subsection for an unlimited time as it’s the same cyclical arguments repeatedly that end up in insults being thrown by the same people to the same people.

The worst culprits aren’t aware that they do it. I probably was one until yesterday, but having had time to reflect, I’ve decided that I’m not going to throw out insults anymore and to be sure of that, I’m not going to debate with people I don’t know. There’s no point. They won’t change their opinion; I’m not likely to change my opinion by some randomer that has a penchant for insulting others.

All parties should be questioned constantly. All answers should be related to that party not by whataboutism in the opposite party.

Stay safe everyone.

I swore off here the other day, but felt the leaks and especially the bits that highlighted that a certain faction of labour had not exclusively targeted the left but even people like burnham and milliband and actively sought or hoped to lose seats was worth highlighting as party on the discussion on labour.

The conversation that I am not involved in and wish no part to is one reason I decided to swear off, it is just mini rants calling anyone who is labour hard line lefties and no willingness to actually debate.

 

[Ban-jani]

It seems like you're always the victim and it's never your fault? :-(

It’s you lot that behave like Scousers, they’re your socialist brethren after all.

Weird cult fuckers.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Entitled, easily outraged, tendancy to insult and have a rant amd claim being abused.

Well if you look at it that way, yeah the tories on here are a lot like the scouse fans ;-)

No one is seriously questioning the veracity of this report. Its 851 pages forensically exposes what everyone in the party, and the media, already knew.

Now, it all seems a bit pointless, belonging to another era. The anti-Semitic smears did their job, useful while they were useful, but of interest only to historians now.

Now its politics as usual, at least that's what the establishment is hoping for, after this virus has fucked off and they've ensured we learn the wrong lessons from it.

Oh, and establishment is the right word for them, rather than calling them Tories or right wingers. Blair, Brown and Starmer have their political differences, but they are establishment figures, none of them questions the established order of things, Corbyn did, so he could no be allowed to succeed.

So, let's party like it's 1996! The party has killed the party, again!

Back To The Future

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It’s you lot that behave like Scousers, they’re your socialist brethren after all.

Weird cult fuckers.

What lot - putting everyone in one of your little boxes again are we? -And so the cycle continues. Honestly, you'd start a fight with yourself in a locked room. There is no way you want to entertain any other view than your own. Can't see one example of you simply acknowledging or respecting another view than your own in this whole thread. Everyone who doesn't just agree with you is either accused of being something awful or of ganging up on you. It's just a weird way of carrying on, even if you are right about everything you say.

 

[Ban-jani]

What lot - putting everyone in one of your little boxes again are we? -And so the cycle continues. Honestly, you'd start a fight with yourself in a locked room. There is no way you want to entertain any other view than your own. Can't see one example of you simply acknowledging or respecting another view than your own in this whole thread. Everyone who doesn't just agree with you is either accused of being something awful or of ganging up on you. It's just a weird way of carrying on, even if you are right about everything you say.

On the contrary my views are constantly responded to with personal attacks, I love opposing views to my own and if someone is genuinely trying to have a debate I want to keep it civil.

Unfortunately as soon as I start taking about Labour antisemitism, some far left **** responds accusing me of hating Muslims, which there is absolutely zero evidence of as I really don’t.

Just read the last 10 pages again and you’ll see what I mean.

I’ve had 5 different PMs from people saying they feel like they’ve been chased off the forum by the rabid Corbyn mob.

I’m defensive because you have to be to have any opinion that’s right of Miliband on here.

 

[Ban-jani]

No one is seriously questioning the veracity of this report. Its 851 pages forensically exposes what everyone in the party, and the media, already knew.

Now, it all seems a bit pointless, belonging to another era. The anti-Semitic smears did their job, useful while they were useful, but of interest only to historians now.

Now its politics as usual, at least that's what the establishment is hoping for, after this virus has fucked off and they've ensured we learn the wrong lessons from it.

Oh, and establishment is the right word for them, rather than calling them Tories or right wingers. Blair, Brown and Starmer have their political differences, but they are establishment figures, none of them questions the established order of things, Corbyn did, so he could no be allowed to succeed.

So, let's party like it's 1996! The party has killed the party, again!

Back To The Future

The report didn’t say the antisemitism didn’t exist, those on your side within Labour were still racist cunts, it just said some centre-left members tried to use the antisemitism crisis to bring Corbyn down.

All in all Labour is full of cretins on all sides of the internal argument.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

On the contrary my views are constantly responded to with personal attacks, I love opposing views to my own and if someone is genuinely trying to have a debate I want to keep it civil.

Unfortunately as soon as I start taking about Labour antisemitism, some far left **** responds accusing me of hating Muslims, which there is absolutely zero evidence of as I really don’t.

Just read the last 10 pages again and you’ll see what I mean.

I’ve had 5 different PMs from people saying they feel like they’ve been chased off the forum by the rabid Corbyn mob.

I’m defensive because you have to be to have any opinion that’s right of Miliband on here.

Maybe you'd be happier on the tory party / Boris Johnson thread?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The report didn’t say the antisemitism didn’t exist, those on your side within Labour were still racist cunts, it just said some centre-left members tried to use the antisemitism crisis to bring Corbyn down.

All in all Labour is full of cretins on all sides of the internal argument.

Spot on.

 

[Ban-jani]

Maybe you'd be happier on the tory party / Boris Johnson thread?

This is my pissing thread :-)

Look at the OP.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

This is my pissing thread :-)

Look at the OP.

Once you start them mate you have to let go - sort of like watching your child make its way in the world ;-)

 

[Ban-jani]

Once you start them mate you have to let go - sort of like watching your child make its way in the world ;-)

I might just delete it and have done with it

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I might just delete it and have done with it

lol. That wouild be a bit hitler in the bunker / taking the ball home. Why not just define a few boundries by ammending the title? - 'Labour - but not left of Milliband', 'New Labour', 'Sir Kiers red and white army',. As it is , your just asking for all those jew-hating Corbyista lefties to pile in and run riot.

 

[Ban-jani]

lol. That wouild be a bit hitler in the bunker / taking the ball home. Why not just define a few boundries by ammending the title? - 'Labour - but not left of Milliband', 'New Labour', 'Sir Kiers red and white army',. As it is , your just asking for all those jew-hating Corbyista lefties to pile in and run riot.

You should just get mod powers for your own threads, that’d sort it.