COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Pablo1 said:
Well I’d rather not kill people off in order to get the economy up and running, but then I’m not a complete ****.
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I'm sure you aren't and I'm not sure anyone suggested you were. The economy versus lives is not the simplistic equation some people seem to think it is.
 
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robbieh said:
Lockdown works and the stricter the better. Those pushing the Sweden model. Can we put that to bed please.

185 dead today. Compare Denmark 6, Norway 1.

If the US is going to return to business as usual they are in for a shock.
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Regardless of anyone's feelings towards Sweden's handling of coronavirus, this is a completely nonsensical comment which shows you don't understand it at all.

No one in Sweden thinks they'll have fewer deaths than Norway or Denmark over the first 4 or 5 months.

They know they will have more deaths immediately, but think they'll have fewer over a period of 2 or 3 years, by having fewer indirect deaths from delayed treatments, not tanking the economy etc. and also by not having a second wave.

We won't know if their plan has worked for months and years.
 
karen7 said:
I think i will stick with the expert and their findings
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Stick with what you like Karen, but @BlueAnorak showed you that there are 1000's of mutations already. There are.

The people he quoted are not cranks nor idiots.

"Nextstrain is an open-source project to harness the scientific and public health potential of pathogen genome data. We provide a continually-updated view of publicly available data alongside powerful analytic and visualization tools for use by the community. Our goal is to aid epidemiological understanding and improve outbreak response. "
 
karen7 said:
He is talking about this current covid 19

Samples were taken from 11 patients admitted to hospitals in Hangzhou, 470 miles east of Wuhan, between 22 January and 4 February during the early phase of the outbreak.

Using "ultra-deep sequencing", researchers identified 33 mutations of the new coronavirus - known as SARS-CoV-2 - of which 19 were new.
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You can see them all at Next Strain which is why I said 1000s. They haven't diverged enough yet to be really different yet.
 
BlueAnorak said:
You can see them all at Next Strain which is why I said 1000s. They haven't diverged enough yet to be really different yet.
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The nextstrain website is tracking them all. When a new RNA sequence is identified anywhere in the world, that website gets updated as part of a world wide open source virus tracking scientific programme
https://nextstrain.org/#ncov
 
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domalino said:
Regardless of anyone's feelings towards Sweden's handling of coronavirus, this is a completely nonsensical comment which shows you don't understand it at all.

No one in Sweden thinks they'll have fewer deaths than Norway or Denmark over the first 4 or 5 months.

They know they will have more deaths immediately, but think they'll have fewer over a period of 2 or 3 years, by having fewer indirect deaths from delayed treatments, not tanking the economy etc. and also by not having a second wave.

We won't know if their plan has worked for months and years.
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there are people who think that the stricter the lockdown the better. So everyone not go out at all for 6 weeks and we all come out and bingo the virus has magically gone and we can all get on as normal

it was explained at the outset that we had to flatten the peak, squash the sombrero , push down the curve to help the NHS cope with dealing with a sudden spike in deaths on top of a busy winter .inevitably if you squash something like a sombrero it’s the same size just flatter.

people have forgotten that this is the strategy and why we are doing it and somehow this is actually about reducing the number of actual deaths over the course of the virus. It’s too early to tell how we, Sweden or others do as that will have to be measured over the full term of the virus and not now. Now the relaxation is about if we go back will there be another spike which puts the nhs under pressure.

I am not sure they have changed the fact that we are still in the delay phase, ie delay , it not eradicate it.
 
domalino said:
Regardless of anyone's feelings towards Sweden's handling of coronavirus, this is a completely nonsensical comment which shows you don't understand it at all.

No one in Sweden thinks they'll have fewer deaths than Norway or Denmark over the first 4 or 5 months.

They know they will have more deaths immediately, but think they'll have fewer over a period of 2 or 3 years, by having fewer indirect deaths from delayed treatments, not tanking the economy etc. and also by not having a second wave.

We won't know if their plan has worked for months and years.
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I understand perfectly thank you.

One thing that you might agree with is that lockdown reduces death in the here and now.

What may or may not happen in 2 or 3 years is hugely speculative on your part.

Immunity, vaccination are all up in the air at the moment.

I suspect Sweden thought similar to Boris that the whole thing was over exaggerated and we'll just roll our sleeves up and get on with this herd immunity thing.
 
karen7 said:
  • England - 778 deaths, total 15,607
  • Scotland - 70 deaths, total 985
  • Wales - 25 deaths, total 609
  • Northern Ireland - to be confirmed
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hi Karen do we know how many of the deaths today are the deaths in hospital as we usually report and how many are the new ONS data released today re people outside of hospital?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
hi Karen do we know how many of the deaths today are the deaths in hospital as we usually report and how many are the new ONS data released today re people outside of hospital?
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BBC stated that these numbers are today’s hospital figures
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
ohhh that’s disappointing and grim.
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It happened a few times in Spain and Italy a few weeks ago. You think things are turning with a lower number on a day and then the next day it’s right back up where the worst numbers were previously.
 
robbieh said:
I understand perfectly thank you.

One thing that you might agree with is that lockdown reduces death in the here and now.

What may or may not happen in 2 or 3 years is hugely speculative on your part.

Immunity, vaccination are all up in the air at the moment.

I suspect Sweden thought similar to Boris that the whole thing was over exaggerated and we'll just roll our sleeves up and get on with this herd immunity thing.
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karen7 said:
He is talking about this current covid 19

Samples were taken from 11 patients admitted to hospitals in Hangzhou, 470 miles east of Wuhan, between 22 January and 4 February during the early phase of the outbreak.

Using "ultra-deep sequencing", researchers identified 33 mutations of the new coronavirus - known as SARS-CoV-2 - of which 19 were new.
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Measles mutates as much as flu but the same vaccine has been used for many years.

There are various mutations but is it just one strain that makes people very poorly?
Has the spike protein changed much?
 
robbieh said:
I understand perfectly thank you.

One thing that you might agree with is that lockdown reduces death in the here and now.

What may or may not happen in 2 or 3 years is hugely speculative on your part.

Immunity, vaccination are all up in the air at the moment.

I suspect Sweden thought similar to Boris that the whole thing was over exaggerated and we'll just roll our sleeves up and get on with this herd immunity thing.
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If you understand then why did you write a nonsensical comment about how 150 people dying invalidated it?
 
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