COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Rammy Blue]

I see Trump is urging all Americans to inject bleach. Just when you think he’s said every stupid thing that there is to say.

His hydroxychloroquin shares have tanked so he’s bought some in US bleach.

 

[Vic]

I see Trump is urging all Americans to inject bleach. Just when you think he’s said every stupid thing that there is to say.

So long as he does it himself.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I'm concerned with Hancock's comments especially as the public listern to one word in three.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Far far too soon. Sigh.

No choice really mate, everyone’s doing it of their own accord anyway. Nowhere near the same police presence out there that there was a couple of weeks ago, even they are bored of it.

 

[Vic]

We’ll have to see.

We don't have to see. It's another government mixed message.

 

[domalino]

Forgive me for not remembering your posts word for word a whole month later. I remembered the jist, potentially incorrectly. If so, I apologise... and no I can't be arsed to scroll all the way back. I'll just take your word for it! Ha.

It's just pretty typical of this thread in particular (and one of the reasons I've stopped posting in here) that any attempt to moderate a premature reaction is seen as endorsing the other side.

Most of the time people don't even read a comment if it's more than one sentence, they just read enough to decide if you're on their side or the other side, and then reply based on that.

 

[twosips]

No choice really mate, everyone’s doing it of their own accord anyway. Nowhere near the same police presence out there that there was a couple of weeks ago, even they are bored of it.

Depressing. Given up because 'boredom'. There's every fucking choice. Some actual solid leadership. Another round of STAY AT HOME messaging from the government stressing urgency, write everyone a letter, do a proper PSA. Not the same watered down shite that we've heard every day for the past 3 weeks or so. Most people don't even watch those 5pm conferences anymore so they can't be used as a way to get messaging out.

 

[BlueHammer85]

We don't have to see. It's another government mixed message.

Mixed messages can work- majority of our population will understand and that each circumstance is different for the individual.
We’re not the American trump fans that will all be camped out our MPs house demanding everything to reopen based on Hancock’s words this morning.

 

[twosips]

It's just pretty typical of this thread in particular (and one of the reasons I've stopped posting in here) that any attempt to moderate a premature reaction is seen as endorsing the other side.

Most of the time people don't even read a comment if it's more than one sentence, they just read enough to decide if you're on their side or the other side, and then reply based on that.

Well I certainly never would do that intentionally. I could have sworn you'd said something along the lines of 'we'd have seen a spike by now but we seemingly haven't. Not those words, but something like that. Chances are I'm recalling it wrong. Either way, I don't really care enough to argue over it. Our posts from a month ago are not really that important in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Vic]

He'll have misunderstood something he's been told. UVC has been suggested many times as a tool against viruses and has been used, and is used.

From a paper that was in Nature.

Airborne-mediated microbial diseases such as influenza and tuberculosis represent major public health challenges. A direct approach to prevent airborne transmission is inactivation of airborne pathogens, and the airborne antimicrobial potential of UVC ultraviolet light has long been established; however, its widespread use in public settings is limited because conventional UVC light sources are both carcinogenic and cataractogenic. By contrast, we have previously shown that far-UVC light (207–222 nm) efficiently inactivates bacteria without harm to exposed mammalian skin. This is because, due to its strong absorbance in biological materials, far-UVC light cannot penetrate even the outer (non living) layers of human skin or eye;

Think about the size of viral particles

That's rather irrelevant. He misunderstood live on TV. So too busy watching afternoon TV to find out what new "science" his advisers were going to say, or just too dumb to take it in? But how dumb do you have to be to misunderstand that using disinfectant on surfaces (which most Far East countries have been doing) does not mean you could inject it.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Depressing. Given up because 'boredom'. There's every fucking choice. Some actual solid leadership. Another round of STAY AT HOME messaging from the government stressing urgency, write everyone a letter, do a proper PSA. Not the same watered down shite that we've heard every day for the past 3 weeks or so. Most people don't even watch those 5pm conferences anymore so they can't be used as a way to get messaging out.

I’m on the fence personally, as a family we’ve been 100% strict over the last 5 weeks, not done anything we shouldn’t have. However, I also see the other side where the hospitals haven’t been overwhelmed and we have an economy stagnating where lots of people want to get out there and get working - all the self employed tradespeople etc, as well as some shops.

Fuck knows what is correct.

 

[twosips]

I’m on the fence personally, as a family we’ve been 100% strict over the last 5 weeks, not done anything we shouldn’t have. However, I also see the other side where the hospitals haven’t been overwhelmed and we have an economy stagnating where lots of people want to get out there and get working - all the self employed tradespeople etc, as well as some shops.

Fuck knows what is correct.

I just don't want anymore relatives of mine to die from this prematurely. We're far, far, far from past this. We're barely even past the peak, and it seems incredibly early. In 2/3 weeks from now I'd wager we'll start a rise in cases again leading to thousands more deaths. Can't wait.

 

[Vic]

WHO lady, Maria Van Kerkhove talking about antibody and different trials on CNN

Takes a week to two weeks to make antibodies

Test results really vary from 2% in one country to 14% in germany ,there are different tests being used

Lower than the early models predicted,they expected more people to have had it

Antibodies tests can tell you have antibodies but still can't tell you exactly how much immunity,quality of immunity or duration(as dr whity said yesterday. no country in the world is giving individual advice based on the results but the tests are good enough for these surveys ,learning as we go along).

The new york state trial -for new york city saying 21% showed up as having been infected and have some antibodies,again the mayor won't be drawn on asumptions on the quality of the immunity

The results are lower than WHO thought for antibody positive people which leaves a large amount of the population who can still catch it and we really need the vaccine this is going to be around for a long time

They (WHO)are keeping track on all of the studies and tests being used and who the test subjects are,important to know what protocol they are using and what test as there are a few different ones being used,the sample of people is important,can't just be frontline people,has to be a mixture,every study is a different make up of subjects

100's of trials going on with current drugs as well,everyone trying to find something that we can use whilst waiting on the vaccine

The gilead trial on one of the available anti viral drugs has been stopped

Nothing so far that is proving useful,weeks/months away from knowing anything,

The vaccine we make for now should work even if the virus mutates as it won't change much

People are most infectious early on ,right when they start to feel unwell
When people have their temp scanned before you go to work or flying it might not show anything as some people don't get a temp at the start

That was about it,she is worth listening to if come across her

But we just get live streaming of Trump...

 

[blueparrot]

I’m on the fence personally, as a family we’ve been 100% strict over the last 5 weeks, not done anything we shouldn’t have. However, I also see the other side where the hospitals haven’t been overwhelmed and we have an economy stagnating where lots of people want to get out there and get working - all the self employed tradespeople etc, as well as some shops.

Fuck knows what is correct.

I think at the moment most of us are in the mindset we have this for two more weeks, and see a gradual lifting from then as a target to get to. After that if there isn’t any change things will become more difficult to enforce. For the reasons you give but also there will be regional differences. In rural areas like mine where there were no new cases yesterday and we have 40 people in hospital but none in ICU, if that carries on dropping for two weeks it will be hard to convince people around here to watch their businesses go under.

 

[BlueHammer85]

In 2/3 weeks from now I'd wager we'll start a rise in cases again leading to thousands more deaths. Can't wait.

That’s a bold call - government will be listening to a whole body of experts on this and wouldn’t ease restrictions if it looked like a huge jump in cases would happen.

 

[twosips]

That’s a bold call - government will be listening to a whole body of experts on this and wouldn’t ease restrictions if it looked like a huge jump in cases would happen.

It's entirely inline with their thinking. They've never intended to suppress this fully, only delay it. 'Squash the sombrero', not trim it. Herd immunity. I never said a huge leap in cases either, I said a rise. Almost certainly there will be a rise if thousands and thousands of people start going back to work.

 

[Blue Maverick]

There's no way he would endorse this without thinking of the consequences - as bad as they can be our Government is not Trump, and they will be fully aware of the caution in lifting measures - we have case rates stable and dropping and an economy that urgently needs repairing.

but what businesses? he need to make it clear what he means.

 

[shemnel]

Then you obviously didn't read my posts, just like @jay_mcfc

I said from the beginning that if Cheltenham was going to be a disaster, we'd know about a month after, because there would be a massive local spike.

You can go back and search my posts in this thread to see that.

What happened, is that because this thread is so hysterical, that anyone saying, "Hold on, the ICL people said it wouldn't be a disaster, we won't know for certain until a month later when a local peak arrives" was taken instead as me saying it should have gone ahead.

I did say when the local spikes didn't happen that it seemed Ferguson might have been right but it's been a delay in reporting.

These are my comments from 15th March -






Both were met with people telling me there would be no local peak because half the visitors were from Ireland or not local and that I was an idiot for saying there'd be a local impact. Now the same posters will probably use the local peak they denied would happen to tell me why I was wrong about something I never said (that the races were fine).

i'm not saying Cheltenham Festival isn't the cause of covid infections in that area, but i would be interested to see how these GL postcodes stack up against other postcodes in the UK in terms of cases per head. Plus also the spike in cases in north Cheltenham contains the train station etc, where people would gather to travel to Gloucester etc for work.

i think it's difficult to ascribe that apparent spike in cases without knowing how they fit into the national picture. Plus the south wales spike in March/early April could have travelled east to GL postcodes (or indeed west from Cheltenham!).

Without data it's very difficult to claim a position of correctness.

 

[BlueHammer85]

but what businesses? he need to make it clear what he means.

Companies including hardware chain B&Q, house builders Taylor Wimpey and car makers Jaguar and Nissan have begun asking staff to return to work this week.

And Mr Hancock told Sky News he endorsed their decision

 

[blueparrot]

but what businesses? he need to make it clear what he means.

Exactly, Sturgeon yesterday gave a clear road map of how and what sort of reopening would happen. This is an off the cuff comment that does noting but confuse.