COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[shemnel]

Especially mad when the scientific research suggested that a travel ban would delay the peak by approximately 2 months.

Some might say that'd be enough time to learn far more about the virus - and get closer to a vaccine, build up pandemic supplies that there's been a fatal shortage of, and build up the infrastructure to implement a contact tracing strategy.

Insane decision that flew in the face of the science.

i'm not sure i agree, although i'd be happy to read what you're referring to, as most things i've read have pointed to the opposite - that travel bans are far too late in the process as transmission has occurred, they are more public calming measures than anything else

 

[BlueAnorak]

I see the government testing website crashed due to demand. Honestly, our health beauracracy is totally shit. I bet the IT guy who said: "...But we haven't done stress testing yet." gets the blame.

 

[johnnytapia]

Are you saying the mixed messages are deliberate? I fear they are.

There's nothing to fear; you can be certain they're deliberately vague.

 

[twosips]

There's nothing to fear; you can be certain they're deliberately vague.

Yep. It's a way of getting people sent back to work without them actually saying implicitly 'go ahead and do it'. Then they can go 'we never told anyone to do this' when shit inevitably hits the fan.

 

[quiet_riot]

The South Wales spike can possibly be attributed to the ludicrous decision to go ahead with two sell out Stereophonics gigs that went ahead despite the rugby international being called off

Anyone who goes to a Stereophonics gig deserves whatever is coming to them ;)

 

[johnnytapia]

Yep. It's a way of getting people sent back to work without them actually saying implicitly 'go ahead and do it'. Then they can go 'we never told anyone to do this' when shit inevitably hits the fan.

Nail on head.

 

[Fame Monster]

i'm not sure i agree, although i'd be happy to read what you're referring to, as most things i've read have pointed to the opposite - that travel bans are far too late in the process as transmission has occurred, they are more public calming measures than anything else

There's a wealth of evidence that travel bans make a difference although a high percentage of travel has to be affected for it to make a significant difference. I think we're starting to see some more evidence emerge in this crisis, however, looking how slow the virus has emerged in countries that have a comparatively small number of international flights compared to Western Europe for example.

 

[Fame Monster]

You are going to have to point out that science to me because I suspect you just made it up. Prove me wrong with a reference please.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...file/756738/SPI-M_modelling_summary_final.pdf

Specifically cited by the UK Gov't as informing their decision making. Obviously, it depends how important you consider a few more weeks or a few months to be but given what can be achieved in terms of procuring ventilators/PPE, ramping up testing, building hospitals, I'd rather have those few extra weeks than not if it means we're far better prepared at dealing with the virus.

Low-level restrictions in international travel (e.g. less than 70% of journeys) would have a minimal impact (Mateus et al. 2014). Even relatively high levels of travel restrictions would only delay an epidemic for a few weeks. For instance, imposing a 90% restriction on all air travel to the UK would delay the peak of a pandemic wave by only 1 to 4 weeks (Cooper et al. 2006, Mateus et al. 2014). A 99.9% travel restriction might delay a pandemic wave by 2 months (Cooper et al. 2006, Ferguson et al. 2006). d) Travel restrictions into the UK from country of origin (if it is known) will be compromised by travel into the UK from intermediate countries that develop their own epidemics. Regional travel restrictions into the UK will be increasingly disruptive for relatively little benefit. e) Putting restrictions on all air travel from the country in which the pandemic strain originates (i.e. a self-imposed or internationally imposed measure) is likely to produce delays similar to those expected for restrictions on all travel into the UK. f) If restrictions on travel from all countries which had epidemics of pandemic flu were put in place internationally, the effect could be somewhat greater: a 90% reduction might delay the spread by 3 to 4 weeks and a 99.9% effective ban by 3 to 4 months (Cooper et al. 2006). If the UK has cases early in the pandemic, then this would involve travel restrictions out of the UK.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Are you saying the mixed messages are deliberate? I fear they are.

i'm saying it's impossible for Goverment to give clear instructions to every single individual circumstance when lifting a lockdown - it's obvious however they choose to do it would be heavily criticized

 

[Rammy Blue]

Yep. It's a way of getting people sent back to work without them actually saying implicitly 'go ahead and do it'. Then they can go 'we never told anyone to do this' when shit inevitably hits the fan.

Personally think it’s the best way to do it though, we need to allow some people to take their choice and get back to it whilst being able to lock it back down if necessary.

 

[yerwot?]

of the 20 health authorities in the north west, only one, Knowsley, reported a drop in new confirmed cases, the rest reported an increase, since yesterday. Looks as though the plateau has been reached, but until the curve is downward, we dont know how long the plateau will last
These are the figures for the North West

In the North West today (Friday, April 24), there are a total of 15,682confirmed cases.

It is an increase of 473 cases in the region since yesterday.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

They'll be dragged back into work regardless of their fears or not. They don't have any notable savings so they have no choice. Sacked and no job market, or go to work and risk death! Great stuff. Also, I never mentioned 6 months of lockdown, so don't put words into my mouth, or make it out like that that was my train of thought.

you never said 6 months but you were clearly suggesting In your post it was ridiculous to ease the lockdown and we were doing it far too soon. We will be at about 2 months when it gets released (if it does)

most other countries have started releasing at that point (if not earlier) and countries that are held out as doing well like South Korea and japan never had enforced lockdowns.

there are no countries contemplating lockdowns for months and months and months.

I do agree with you though when lockdown is released the virus will not have disappeared and be there as there is no cure or vaccine and won’t be for sometime and Hancock’s we won’t release lockdown until there is NO risk of a second peak will come to bit him on his arse.

as for your they will be dragged back to work risking death, thank fuck nhs workers, supermarket workers the armed forces ,bus drivers, train drives, tube drivers, bin men and delivery drivers , the police and many many more who have carried on working throughout this don’t have the same fucking attitude as you.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Tell you one thing, it’s a “normal” day here in sunny Rammy, or as normal as it ever is before anyone makes a joke, lol.

I’ve been sat outside since 8 this morning, and it’s busy on the roads, loads of people out and about. Supermarkets heaving.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Or their desire to stand behind sheep
In clusters

And possibly that yes

 

[CockneyWanchor]

I see the government testing website crashed due to demand. Honestly, our health beauracracy is totally shit. I bet the IT guy who said: "...But we haven't done stress testing yet." gets the blame.

I gather the site has a virus.

 

[journolud]

I see the government testing website crashed due to demand. Honestly, our health beauracracy is totally shit. I bet the IT guy who said: "...But we haven't done stress testing yet." gets the blame.

I registered on the site over three hours ago to try and book a test and am still waiting for the text to allow me to do so which would arrive in “moments “.

Meanwhile my wife took the 40 mile trip to Leighton to be tested this morning, this was arranged yesterday before the new website was launched, hopefully her symptoms are related to ongoing ENT issues rather than the virus.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I registered on the site over three hours ago to try and book a test and am still waiting for the text to allow me to do so which would arrive in “moments “.

Meanwhile my wife took the 40 mile trip to Leighton to be tested this morning, this was arranged yesterday before the new website was launched, hopefully her symptoms are related to ongoing ENT issues rather than the virus.

He won't be much use, he'll probably only be able to tell if she's a horse or not.

 

[twosips]

Personally think it’s the best way to do it though, we need to allow some people to take their choice and get back to it whilst being able to lock it back down if necessary.

There wont be choice though for most will there? It'll be come to work or you get sacked.

 

[kaz7]

I tried telling him this 10 times but he's not having it. I gave up in the end. He seems to think that because we no spike in the local data, then that is proof that Cheltenham didn't cause a big problem. He fails to contemplate the possibility that it did, but that the people dispersed and the increased infections are lost in the noise, with simply a highly level of overall infection across the country than there otherwise would have been.

It is on here the data around the races,they are large numbers in that area,please whoever posted it can you post it again

 

[kaz7]

Nice thing of the day

Care home on the isle of wright

20 residents

Manager decides to lock it down

She asked for 8 other staff to join her and move in

One is sleeping in the boiler room

2 sleeping in tents in the garden

They get paid pretty much minimum wage

Amazing people

People are moaning at having to stay in with their family and all home comforts !