COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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karen7 said:
Scotland have lost another 64 people

Total 1,184

Cases up by 288 to 9,697
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In better news though

“1,710 patients are in hospital with suspected or confirmed Covid-19, a decrease of 38, with 141 being treated in intensive care, a decrease of seven.”


hospital cases been decreasing for about a week from around the 2000 mark, intensive care cases gone down too from just over 200 to 141 today.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
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@Gelsons Dad , do you have a link to the site to see the Key? I thought I’d got my head round this when you first posted it but I’ve forgotten exactly what it shows
 
karen7 said:
We will never know i guess,i am in awe of the lengths our frontline workers are going to,they could easily just say i have to isolate and throw a sickie but instead they are going above and beyond whilst knowing they could die
I do think this will be the thing that changes social care for good,every gov has pushed it into the long grass,now they can't do that anymore
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indeed major changes needed
 
Gelsons Dad said:
The UK always had ventilator capacity. More tests doesn't save lives. Nobody died due to no PPE. It's a straw man used to attack the government.

When do you suggest the ban should have been in place? WHO said no need at the beginning of FEB. By that time the UK was seeded anyway.

So many people on an aeroplane?
You do know the air is cleaner on an aircraft than on any other mass transport system. Aircraft have a flow rate of around 5l per second per passenger and it comes in clean having been at temperatures above 250°C before cooling and then gets filtered through true HEPA before recycling. Air enters the cabin from above and vents through the cabin floor so unless someone coughs in your face or you spend the flight lying on the floor you are in one of the safest environments possible. Buses? Trams? Trains? Much more likely to catch something there.
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Nobody died due to no PPE? How can you possibly know that?
 
somapop said:
I'm on and off this thread for a variety of reasons and apologies but is there any clarification re those numbers in New York (and why they could potentially be positive). Pretty sure it stated given the large numbers involved of positive inflected and death rate being quite low, could mean that they're developing some kind of her immunity after all.
Really tough to fine tune an answer to this...there must be so many people involved in treatments, vaccines and research.

Do tend to agree it's getting a little 'busier' out there however. The roads in the day have gone from '11pm at night' to a 'Midday Sunday'. Same with walkers and runners (although in all fairness most are observing the physical distancing very well).
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Even if you double the 15% with antibodies (which was similar to the German town tested after a carnival) to allow for people with natural immunity, that's 70% of a population of 20 million in NY state who may have not yet been exposed to the virus.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
The UK always had ventilator capacity. More tests doesn't save lives. Nobody died due to no PPE. It's a straw man used to attack the government....
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This is Trumpian.

Or worse, "no one died due to no PPE" sounds like a defence to a class action from NHS staff's next of kin all claiming that lack of PPE killed their loved ones.
 
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Gelsons Dad said:
The UK always had ventilator capacity. More tests doesn't save lives. Nobody died due to no PPE. It's a straw man used to attack the government.
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Couldn't disagree more with that. The experience of other countries who carried out more tests and performed contact tracing suggests that tests do save lives. As for PPE, I think there's a wealth of scientific evidence again that it does save lives, not just for the doctors who use it, but for the patients who are at risk of being infected by coming into contact with a medical professional with COVID-19.

Gelsons Dad said:
When do you suggest the ban should have been in place? WHO said no need at the beginning of FEB. By that time the UK was seeded anyway.
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January. The WHO have been widely criticised for their slow action and their failure to recommend a travel ban, even though the minutes show that there were plenty of WHO scientists and doctors advocating it on Jan 30th. Either way, what the WHO decides doesn't mean we have to follow or agree with them.

Gelsons Dad said:
So many people on an aeroplane?
You do know the air is cleaner on an aircraft than on any other mass transport system. Aircraft have a flow rate of around 5l per second per passenger and it comes in clean having been at temperatures above 250°C before cooling and then gets filtered through true HEPA before recycling. Air enters the cabin from above and vents through the cabin floor so unless someone coughs in your face or you spend the flight lying on the floor you are in one of the safest environments possible. Buses? Trams? Trains? Much more likely to catch something there.
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I didn't know it was cleaner than other forms of public transport but that doesn't make it clean. I'm doubtful that the only way it could spread on an airplane is if someone coughs in your face. Have you got a study to support that or have you just made it up?
 
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