COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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True_Blue69 said:
Do you not think that no-one really knows si we are waiting to see what happens in other countries that are coming out of lockdown first? Seems that way to me.

The furlough scheme has been extended until the end on June, think that gives us an indication.
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Reviewing how things go elsewhere would be the sensible thing to do. Something we didn't do when other countries were locking down and we hosted the Cheltenham festival lol.

I for one want restrictions to be lifted ASAP and get those who have taken a huge financial hit up and running but we can't do that until it's the right time in terms of avoiding a "2nd Wave" and ensuring daily rates are consistently down. I'm on the boat of let the scientist get on with their job, advising the govt. The media have been toxic questioning an exit plan only weeks after pressuring the govt in to lockdown and complaining about PPE shortages.

We are that far in to lockdown now (with the financial/social damage being done) that what's a few more weeks when it could save thousands of lives. Rather do something properly than something half arsed to appease the media.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Do you not think that no-one really knows si we are waiting to see what happens in other countries that are coming out of lockdown first? Seems that way to me.

The furlough scheme has been extended until the end on June, think that gives us an indication.
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I was replying to someone who was saying that if the government tells us when lockdown might be lifted/what it might look like, then people will just start ignoring the rules. I was just arguing the opposite. If they tell people what they are doing and why (even if that means it involves waiting longer than we'd like) I think people would be more likely to adhere to it. And if it is indeed a case of observing what's happening elsewhere, then they should just say that (although it is a departure from "we're listening to our scientists" and does beg the question why they didn't copy other countries earlier in the process. Allowing 3000 people to fly in for Madrid to watch a football match here when they weren't allowed to gather and do that in their own country was a major fuckup and nobody can spin it otherwise)
 
True_Blue69 said:
https://www.healthxchange.sg/heart-lungs/heart-disease/viral-myocarditis-virus-heart

Nothing new again. Scaremongering is getting ridiculous if the virus doesn't kill people the stress and worry will.
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Not scaremongering here and take a different view to you on this as I don't believe in being detached from the science that is prevailing here and as you mentioned that other viruses can also exhibit some of the conditions (not the typical pneumonia) that are being reported by physicians globally in recent mortalities; that in my opinion is additional information which are developing facts being reported on the ground which should be in the public domain with a caveat inserted in relation to the context of the number of cases as a ratio to all mortalities.

The NHS yesterday evening issued an urgent alert to all doctors that a serious covid-related condition may be appearing in children. Trust me this is the last thing as a parent that I want to bloody read but had seen some musings on this before in the Italian press but naturally they were fire fighting on a grand scale at the time to investigate with further analysis. Small numbers being reported, but serious enough for an alert to be issued so I do deem this newsworthy even if you can find parallels with the other viruses then there are a lot of parents like me want to know what we may potentially be dealing with here before making decisions on future schooling arrangements. Again shame we don't have a science specific thread for covid to discuss these elements.

An urgent alert issued to doctors has raised concerns that a serious coronavirus-related syndrome may be emerging in children in the UK.

The alert states that in the past three weeks there has been a rise in children being admitted to hospital with a syndrome that has the characteristics of serious Covid-19, according to the Health Service Journal. Children have so far been deemed to be at low risk of serious ill health from the virus.

The alert states:

“[In the] last three weeks, there has been an apparent rise in the number of children of all ages presenting with a multi-system inflammatory state requiring intensive care across London and also in other regions of the UK.

“There is a growing concern that a [Covid-19] related inflammatory syndrome is emerging in children in the UK, or that there may be another, as yet unidentified, infectious pathogen associated with these cases.”

There is little information about how widespread the condition is but the number of children affected is likely to be small, the HSJ reports. Some of the children have tested positive for Covid-19, and some appear to have previously had the virus, it adds.

The alert, first issued to GPs in north London, also describes the cases as showing features of toxic shock syndrome and Kawasaki disease, which causes blood vessels to become inflamed. It advised doctors to “refer children presenting with these symptoms as a matter of urgency”.

The Paediatric Intensive Care Society issued a separate “urgent alert” on Sunday evening.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Don't need a article test numbers are posted every day.
More tests = more cases
Therefore if more tests give the same number of cases the true infection rate is declining.
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Pillar One (the blue bar in the briefing charts isn't going down that much). It's trending lower but it's not falling as quickly as you might expect. Pillar one is supposed to be patients and key workers. That category shouldn't be affected by increases in testing. The increases in testing affect the orange bar.

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paulchapo said:
Spain, who have had a far stricter lockdown than we have, relaxed it slightly from yesterday and a bit like here people are up in arms idiots have gone too far in their new freedom. It seem we are not alone lol.

https://www.eltime.es/la-calle/2674...pwJFgId8vzAMmzUqUxqWCp-TIAMpCv7t2AOwsTCMLpBl4
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Interesting comparisons between Spain and Portugal as we have not had a lockdown anywhere near to the same degree as you guys and yet the data has been quite positive from the point prior and after going into lockdown. Quite a few international articles exploring why Portugal's numbers in all areas seem to be significantly better than its neighbours.

Very pleasantly surprised actually as I just assumed they would make a pigs ear of it especially as the border with Spain took an eternity to close in my opinion. Fingers crossed that you guys can start getting out and about soon...
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Don't need an article, test numbers are posted every day.
More tests = more cases
Therefore if more tests give the same number of cases the true infection rate is declining.
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Its odd though that its maintaining around the 4k mark though. with sudden increases in testing capacity you would expect to see spikes of increases.
 
Mon Autre said:
I was replying to someone who was saying that if the government tells us when lockdown might be lifted/what it might look like, then people will just start ignoring the rules. I was just arguing the opposite. If they tell people what they are doing and why (even if that means it involves waiting longer than we'd like) I think people would be more likely to adhere to it. And if it is indeed a case of observing what's happening elsewhere, then they should just say that (although it is a departure from "we're listening to our scientists" and does beg the question why they didn't copy other countries earlier in the process. Allowing 3000 people to fly in for Madrid to watch a football match here when they weren't allowed to gather and do that in their own country was a major fuckup and nobody can spin it otherwise)
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Liverpool lost so it was worth it.
 
In Spain a figure was released saying 114,000 people have needed hospitalisation.

Apparently 1 in 30 youngsters infected needs hospital whereas 1 in 5 people over 80.

Overall I'm just going to say 1 in 15 people who get infected need hospital. That would mean in Spain 1.5 million have been infected or around 4.25% of the population.

Quite a long way from herd immunity.
 
What's the consensus on the forum in relation to the proposed 14 day quarantine proposals on airports?
Obviously this makes sense as after all the virus would have spread on planes, however if they implement this then the Airline / holiday companies will surely not survive the summer meaning a lot of unemployment in that sector.
 
robbieh said:
In Spain a figure was released saying 114,000 people have needed hospitalisation.

Apparently 1 in 30 youngsters infected needs hospital whereas 1 in 5 people over 80.

Overall I'm just going to say 1 in 15 people who get infected need hospital. That would mean in Spain 1.5 million have been infected or around 4.25% of the population.

Quite a long way from herd immunity.
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Presumably those figures are from known infections. There will be many times more that have had it but not been tested.

Still probably a long way from herd immunity though and that's why it's likely to come back at some stage.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
What's the consensus on the forum in relation to the proposed 14 day quarantine proposals on airports?
Obviously this makes sense as after all the virus would have spread on planes, however if they implement this then the Airline / holiday companies will surely not survive the summer meaning a lot of unemployment in that sector.
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I have heard talk of a health passport. People that wish to travel would have to have certain tests a few days before travelling to show that they are clear.
 
Oops! Sounds familiar. A Dutch government scientist says too much. From the BBC.

It’s a common sentiment among the general public that we should ‘put a stop to it now!’ But that is not really the goal here. We just want to make sure it spreads in a gradual way, so to speak, while keeping the risk to public health the healthcare system as low as possible. But we do not want to halt it completely, because in that case we would have had to opt for a complete lockdown.

In my opinion this is what the UK is doing and the goal is avoid a 2nd lockdown.
 
Just had a letter through saying that my holiday insurance won’t be covered for Coronavirus going forward.

I don’t get how insurance companies can get away with this. The minute they actually have to pay our money they decide not to cover it.

Can the holiday companies, tourist boards etc not demand that it is covered as otherwise people won’t be taking the risk to book holidays in 2021, 2022 etc when things will hopefully finally start to return fully to normal? Or maybe just sue the insurance companies for loss of earnings?
 
Gelsons Dad said:
It's the governments opinion too as they have said from the beginning. Flatten the curve, squash the sombrero etc. No one has ever spoken of halting it completely.
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I know that but I don't think most people appreciate that. They think the aim is to suppress it completely. It isn't. There isn't a consensus around the best strategy and I say that based on patently different strategies and effects.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Out of interest , what press are insisting we open up the lockdown ?

all i can see if them reporting public mood and what the opposition government is saying
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Serriously?
Telegraph, Times, FT, Mail. Even The Guardian and the Mirror have been having a pop wanting to run before we can walk.
 
crooky said:
Just had a letter through saying that my holiday insurance won’t be covered for Coronavirus going forward.

I don’t get how insurance companies can get away with this. The minute they actually have to pay our money they decide not to cover it.

Can the holiday companies, tourist boards etc not demand that it is covered as otherwise people won’t be taking the risk to book holidays in 2021, 2022 etc when things will hopefully finally start to return fully to normal? Or maybe just sue the insurance companies for loss of earnings?
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How much do you think premiums would be?

It's the holiday companies that will have to offer cancellable holidays if they want people to book.
 
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