COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Question from the public each day now as well k,selected independently

Tests done. 719,910

Yesterday 37,024

Positives in total 157,149

Patients currently in hospital 15,051

Deaths 21,092

Insurance scheme for the workers in the NHS and social care that die From covd,families will receive £60,000,looking to expand to other frontline workers

8th nightingale hospital open

Bed capacity is good,plenty of critical beds empty

A&E attendances down 50% the nhs is open for serious conditions

Other services like cancer services etc will be restored
 
I’ve probably missed this somewhere amongst the pages of this thread but in simple terms can anyone explain why when we announce the numbers of deaths on any given day, does it include deaths that happened on previous days, sometimes up to 2 weeks earlier?

I would have thought the stats that are relevant are for each hospital are:

1. How many people have died from this today
2. How many people have we admitted to hospital with suspected CV today
3. How many people have we discharged today.

I would have thought that would be fairly simple data to collect but it seems not or am I missing something obvious?

Another thing I may have missed is why, when other countries are doing so, are we not recording care homes deaths?

I may be being stupid here and it may have been answered a million times already but if someone could oblige me with answers it would be much appreciated.
 
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Five tests repeated

Transport use/people movement,largely unchanged

Apple app,largely flat

New cases,trend flat

Inpatients,flat or decreasing overall

Critical care patients,trend is down

Deaths in hosp,after weekends figures are usually low will go up midweek,gradual decline,not quite through the peak

Global deaths,still tracking italy/france
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
I’ve probably missed this somewhere amongst the pages of this thread but in simple terms can anyone explain why when we announce the numbers of deaths on any given day, does it include deaths that happened on previous days, sometimes up to 2 weeks earlier?

I would have thought the stats that are relevant are for each hospital are:

1. How many people have died from this today
2. How many people have we admitted to hospital with suspected CV today
3. How many people have we discharged today.

I would have thought that would be fairly simple data to collect but it seems not or am I missing something obvious?

Another thing I may have missed is why, when other countries are doing so, are we not recording care homes deaths?

I may be being stupid here and it may have been answered a million times already but if someone could oblige me with answers it would be much appreciated.
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They do, but don't show the graph often, however@gelsons dad does it and updates his figures and graph every afternoon
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We've been on the downslope for almost 3 weeks.
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Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Ah right. Sorry I’ve seen that graph but it looks complicated!
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Basically follow the figures on the bottom row of the table and you can see all the figures as they have been allocated to the date they happened. The top line of the graph is those figures plotted. If just know that it shows how the peak was the 8th April, the rest is just historical versions of the same thing..
 
Questions

Member of the public question ,when will be able to hug family again ? If you are shielding in the vulnerable group you cannot put yourself at risk yet,families being apart is very hard but it is working

Testing key workers,booking online,target going to be met ? Making it easier,over 5,000 home tests delivered yesterday as well as opening up other ways ,no clinically valid antibody test available here yet,testing staff with no symptoms as well,surveys on who has it and have had it starting

Will staff coming back into the nhs and social care qualify for the insurance? Yes

How can we be confident in the R number ? Absolute target of below one,above that is spreads quickly again,the lower it is the faster the peak will be over and gov can look at what measures are needed to keep it there

R number in hosp and care homes ? Down in hosps,much harder to know in care homes,some are affected and some are not

A more realistic death number now we have gone above the 20,000 ? We need to view over the long term,direct and indirect deaths need to be looked at and added in,that is for later on down the track

Why the difference in expected deaths to where we are now? mistake to have just considered first wave,this has a long way to go

Test,track and trace ? Once the infection rate is down it is easier to track and trace

People arriving in the country ? Clear the impact on the epidemic is currently low,border controls will change

Antibody tests ?only good enough for Lab based tests and only for survey uses,none clinical enough to be confident in the results in individuals,tests will improve as we go along



 
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blueparrot said:
Basically follow the figures on the bottom row of the table and you can see all the figures as they have been allocated to the date they happened. The top line of the graph is those figures plotted. If just know that it shows how the peak was the 8th April, the rest is just historical versions of the same thing..
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Thanks for that. Been looking at those graphs for ages and trying to figure them out! Must be all the daytime drinking I’ve been doing
 
Questions

Covid in children ? Majority do not get it or if they do not badly affected by it except for a low number who get it worse,need more direct data as how they spread it,that is why we are not sending them to school,not sure how it would affect the R number if we did,schools contribute to the infection spread,data to the gov and they decide,it is not a straight forward decision

Advice out today on children,last few days reports have highlighted serious illness in children,inmflamatory illness ,being looked into urgently,parents call 111 or 999 if children get ill,seems to be a very small number,taking info from other countries as well

Hosp taking in non covid patients ? we can now take cancer patients and serious cases in,it is not a sign of lifting the lockdown,that is why hosp capacity is good and it has to continue,most urgent cases for surgery first
 
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mcfc_ms said:
Thanks for that. Been looking at those graphs for ages and trying to figure them out! Must be all the daytime drinking I’ve been doing
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Took me a while, like I say once you understand the last line, you can pick a date and see how numbers have been added to that date and when, but the bottom line is the important one if you see tomorrow, todays 58 will jump same way yesterdays 63 today jumped to 225.
 
karen7 said:
Depends what Tests they are using,FDA have let nearly a hundred to be used that they rushed through without approving properly ,some no better than placebo

The governor says he could lift all Restrictions in May but he won't because the numbers will shoot up
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How can a test be a placebo?
 
blueparrot said:
Took me a while, like I say once you understand the last line, you can pick a date and see how numbers have been added to that date and when, but the bottom line is the important one if you see tomorrow, todays 58 will jump same way yesterdays 63 today jumped to 225.
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Certainly understand it now then. Great, will keep an eye on that from now on :)
 
SWP's back said:
How can a test be a placebo?
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In other words no better than nothing,the point being they took the word of the companies who made them that they worked,some kind of self certificate or something like that so they could rush them out ,we brought a couple of millions from china that turned out to be useless when we tried to verify them by testing them
 
Hancock in responding, implied that visitors to UK when lockdown eased would likely face quarantine measures.

The questioner asked why policy would change then from current situation?

He replied stating, at lockdown easing date the circa 150,000 visitors each week would proportionately be a more significant risk then, as our level of infection would have lowered. However, what i don't understand from that reply is that when our level of infection was at its lowest, eg at the start, when numbers of visitors flying in was @ highest,we didnt introduce quarantine measures at that time, presumably on same scientific advise?
 
karen7 said:
In other words no better than nothing,the point being they took the word of the companies who made them that they worked,some kind of self certificate or something like that so they could rush them out ,we brought a couple of millions from china that turned out to be useless when we tried to verify them by testing them
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Ok it’s just placebo is a defined medical term and is actually better than nothing. Using it with regards testing is confusing and not accurate.
 
SWP's back said:
Ok it’s just placebo is a defined medical term and is actually better than nothing. Using it with regards testing is confusing and not accurate.
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Yeah good point although placebos can be just sugar water
,placebo have no effect at all
  • a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.
  • a measure designed merely to humour or placate someone
 
karen7 said:
Yeah good point although placebos can be just sugar water
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Yep, but weirdly, even that still works and helps some people. And an intravenous placebo has more effect than one in pill form.

Even more weirdly, they still show some effect even when people are told they are only placebos.

Very odd.
 
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