COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueHammer85]

Yeah she is very clear and I don't feel like she is sugar coating it and fudging things,i like that approach

yeh, i find her very good, she was on Brexit - just a shame she wants to break up the UK

 

[BlueHammer85]

mcdonalds opening, Nando’s now Burger King.

fuck it shall I just go fishing.

they are takeaway only

 

[BlueAnorak]

well given they have slightly more cases than we have in the uk . It can only be either

they record Covid deaths a lot more strictly than we do . As in die of Covid, not with Covid as we do; or

Our uk doctors and nurses in the nhs are a lot poorer at treating this than their German equivalents.

Knocks 40% of the German COVID-19 hospital death stats too, so it makes Germany look really good!
Excess deaths are going to be huge there

 

[waspish]

I didn't like Nicola S before,one trick pony but now I really like her,she doesn't just repeat words like our ministers do,she fleshes it out and I feel like she is saying if you don't stick to the rules i will come round you house and give you a glascow kiss

Agree she says it as it is what we want to hear not a lot of grey area lingo.

 

[kaz7]

This is how they count deaths in care homes with covid and why we will never know the proper numbers

It is based on care home providers' assessment of whether COVID-19 was involved in a resident's death.

It may or may not correspond with a medical diagnosis, or be mentioned on the death
certificate

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...covid-19-realted-deaths-in-two-weeks-11979889

 

[ayrshire_blue]

yeh, i find her very good, she was on Brexit - just a shame she wants to break up the UK

A shame for who... ;-)

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Knocks 40% of the German COVID-19 hospital death stats too, so it makes Germany look really good!
Excess deaths are going to be huge there

I think excess deaths against the 5 year average per country is going to be the only reliableish stat.

 

[BlueHammer85]

A shame for who... ;-)

touche

 

[BlueAnorak]

I think excess deaths against the 5 year average per country is going to be the only reliableish stat.

I think your right.
Possibly dividing by population density as that is starting to look like the main factor to how bad you get it.

 

[lancs blue]

Why has there been no relaxation of the lockdown but every hour I check the news and b@ q opening, now Homebase.

mcdonalds opening, Nando’s now Burger King.

fuck it shall I just go fishing.

Walked to the shops earlier, there was definitely more traffic on the roads and more people out and about than last week.

 

[Fame Monster]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts

The RKI’s official mortality figures include both people who have died of the virus as well as those infected and with underlying health problems, where the precise cause of death could not be determined.

To those who keep claiming Germany have a substantially different methodology than everyone else when it comes to recording deaths. According to the above link, that's not correct.

Interesting article below on why Germany have done better than other Western European nations. Contact tracing, early travel bans, ICU capacity, and other measures taken are the substantial differences in its approach to other European countries.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-germany-has-such-a-low-covid-19-death-rate-11964051

 

[BlueAnorak]

This is how they count deaths in care homes with covid and why we will never know the proper numbers

It is based on care home providers' assessment of whether COVID-19 was involved in a resident's death.

It may or may not correspond with a medical diagnosis, or be mentioned on the death
certificate

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...covid-19-realted-deaths-in-two-weeks-11979889

ONS prove the fact of the matter 10 days later. The place of death is recorded.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

This is how they count deaths in care homes with covid and why we will never know the proper numbers

It is based on care home providers' assessment of whether COVID-19 was involved in a resident's death.

It may or may not correspond with a medical diagnosis, or be mentioned on the death
certificate

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...covid-19-realted-deaths-in-two-weeks-11979889

It also makes you wonder if private care homes might be suppressing their numbers.
Also, from what I'm told, residents in some homes catering specifically for dimentia aren't be certified as Covid related.

 

[BigOscar]

Why has there been no relaxation of the lockdown but every hour I check the news and b@ q opening, now Homebase.

mcdonalds opening, Nando’s now Burger King.

fuck it shall I just go fishing.

Hardware shops and takeaways have always been allowed open, its just taken them a while to coordinate how to do it safely I think?

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

University Hospital Birmingham is a massive hospital - two and a bit times the size of Wythenshaw.
Sandwell & City is actually a two hospital trust as well so its numbers are pretty low.

Size of hospital has nothing to do with deaths per 100,000 of population.

 

[Chippy_boy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts



To those who keep claiming Germany have a substantially different methodology than everyone else when it comes to recording deaths. According to the above link, that's not correct.

Interesting article below on why Germany have done better than other Western European nations. Contact tracing, early travel bans, ICU capacity, and other measures taken are the substantial differences in its approach to other European countries.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-germany-has-such-a-low-covid-19-death-rate-11964051

Can't see how ICU capacity has anything to do with it when compared to other countries who have not had ICU overload.

Whether you have 1 space ICU bed or 4,000 spare, should not make any difference, surely? Unless we have been holding back people who really ought to have been in ICU? Which would be a scandal not yet reported.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Size of hospital has nothing to do with deaths per 100,000 of population.

The figures in the table are by trust.

 

[SilverFox2]

By the time you get to 70 you more than likely have at least one “underlying health issue”

Perhaps the other 70 percent also had issues they knew nothing about?

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

The figures in the table are by trust.

I read it as population. I live in Stockport but my local hospital is in Manchester so go figure. Either way odd that those two trusts are at the bottom given that London is where most deaths have occurred and where there is a larger population

 

[True_Blue69]

It also makes you wonder if private care homes might be suppressing their numbers.
Also, from what I'm told, residents in some homes catering specifically for dimentia aren't be certified as Covid related.

Which is probably right. My Grandad suffered with Althzeimers for years and eventually passed away. It was a water infection that put him in hospital for the final time but I don't think his death would have been recorded as a water infection. I actually don't know for sure but I am pretty sure he would be one of the Althzeimers deaths put down on record.