COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Fame Monster]

I understand that bud but it doesn't explain how they have kept the numbers so low, what are they doing so differently to everyone else to manage the death rate? Have they shielded their gen pop better or have they managed better outcomes in hospitals.

I think they've shielded their vulnerable better by testing people with milder symptoms and no symptoms before they've been able to spread it to the vulnerable.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I think Germany had 1 single advantage - lab capacity - when we were able to test a lot in a very early stage.

This advantage has gone now. In a 2nd wave like anybody else we would face many multi-local outbreaks which we won't be able to trace back and contain in that numbers, or at least it would take much longer and ICU capacities would be tested more severely. Is my guess.

I don't think their advantage has gone. The extensive medical testing industry still gives them a massive advantage. Germany can now manufacture 800,000 tests a day and are currently exporting 3/4 of it. Only the USA can best them and will only do so by mid May

 

[BlueAnorak]

Another 552 people have died in England's hospitals after contracting coronavirus - bringing the total to 19,301

70 more people have died with COVID-19 in Scotland - taking the total to 1,332

And 17 more people have passed away in Wales - putting the deal toll at 813

Confirmed from relevant ministers and the NHS england

Sad, but that is excellent news. I feared it could jump to 750 with the backlog from the weekend.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I know it’s not relevant to the thread , but the number of likes people have has now gone, but you can still like posts?

have I missed a memo?

 

[BlueAnorak]

The puzzling thing is that Germany have had more cases haven't they? Either they are better at treating it or they are counting the outcomes in a different way.

More testing picks up less serious cases. Cases requiring hospitalisation is a more accurate metric.

 

[kaz7]

Sorry, I could've been more specific. The Covid symptoms they've shown aren't being included on certificates. That's because they're not being tested and if there's no test there's no obligation to write it up. It goes down as viral pneumonia or something like that.

At last someone saying what I have been saying for weeks

 

[blueparrot]

Another 633 in UK hospitals,up again.

Only up again if you are rigidly following daily reported figures which all the advice tells you not to do.

 

[somapop]

Has anybody seen this talk by two US Doctors? Quite long (and I haven't gone through it all) but interesting all the same (and I don't think it's as conspiratorial as much of the alternative takes on the CV19 lockdown):

 

[BlueAnorak]

Sorry, I could've been more specific. The Covid symptoms they've shown aren't being included on certificates. That's because they're not being tested and if there's no test there's no obligation to write it up. It goes down as viral pneumonia or something like that.

If they have COVID-19 symptoms, it goes on the certificate as a joint cause. The BMA and the Royal College of General Practitioners have been absolutely consistent on this from the off. Yes some will be missed that may be picked up in enhanced Non-COVID-19 pneumonia cases. But where they can diagnose COVID-19 it is being recorded as such.

 

[kaz7]

I know it’s not relevant to the thread , but the number of likes people have has now gone, but you can still like posts?

have I missed a memo?

Yours are still there

 

[willipp]

I know it’s not relevant to the thread , but the number of likes people have has now gone, but you can still like posts?

have I missed a memo?

Still there for me when i click on someones profile.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Has anybody seen this talk by two US Doctors? Quite long (and I haven't gone through it all) but interesting all the same (and I don't think it's as conspiratorial as much of the alternative takes on the CV19 lockdown):

my mates a GP and he said at the start of the crisis he was very quiet as it was all Covid focussed and he wasn’t really seeing patients just be telephones .

he said he will be really busy after Covid has left the front pages dealing with all the shit left behind , domestic violence , depression, suicides , delayed people going to the doctors etc.

The immune system point is really good point and something I have been thinking about. Those with kids will know as soon as your kid goes to school or nursery for the first time and exposes him to others he catches every cold and illness going ( as do you) .

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

If they have COVID-19 symptoms, it goes on the certificate as a joint cause. The BMA and the Royal College of General Practitioners have been absolutely consistent on this from the off. Yes some will be missed that may be picked up in enhanced Non-COVID-19 pneumonia cases. But where they can diagnose COVID-19 it is being recorded as such.

That's what I thought and I've questioned it on that basis but I know for an absolute fact that it's not case everywhere.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Yours are still there

yeah but it used to be shown on the grey box under your name , date joined , location, number of likes. Not bothered by the way it’s not a popularity contest but just noticed.

 

[Rammy Blue]

saw that the fucking Tories have a lot to answer for.

Panorama should be all over it like a rash...

 

[Cityfan]

Has anybody seen this talk by two US Doctors? Quite long (and I haven't gone through it all) but interesting all the same (and I don't think it's as conspiratorial as much of the alternative takes on the CV19 lockdown):

I'm sorry I don't know if they are doctors in real life but the opening few minutes tell me they have no understanding of basic medical statistics.
I'm certainly not going to watch it all they are idiots.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I understand that bud but it doesn't explain how they have kept the numbers so low, what are they doing so differently to everyone else to manage the death rate? Have they shielded their gen pop better or have they managed better outcomes in hospitals.

Nope. Fudged the numbers.

 

[xgorton]

Only up again if you are rigidly following daily reported figures which all the advice tells you not to do.

The figures are from the professionals.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

France have cancelled it’s football season..... must be us soon come on.

it’s staying home, it’s staying home, the trophies staying home.

 

[Rammy Blue]

yeah but it used to be shown on the grey box under your name , date joined , location, number of likes. Not bothered by the way it’s not a popularity contest but just noticed.

Total likes never been listed mate, you have to go on the search members list to see that.