COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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When reading all these numbers, graphs, tables etc, how do they take into account each country's demographics to compare them against each other.
We have the 3rd highest population in Europe but are 11th smallest in terms of land area, then only 12% percent of this is actually built on. Then you can break it down further to urban areas and densely populated areas, how many people share households, age, health, etc.
Should these sort of facts be factored in to each country to get yet another comparison or would it distort the figures even more.
I'm not so sure you can compare any two countries side by side because of so many varying factors between them.
 
Eds said:
Can all the experts on here tell me on what date they would have gone in lockdown, would it have been more severe than the one we currently have and when is the right time to come out of lockdown.
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I was calling for it when it was declared a pandemic (10th March).

In the first month of the lockdown I kept saying that there were (and still are) far too many out and about and from 20th March for *a period of time we should have had a proper lockdown like Italy and Spain did for six weeks.

Continual reports were coming out about the nature of this showing asymptomatically in many people and we had people all walking, running and cycling past each other within the 2m gap - and still are.

@Marvin was calling it about testing, tracing and isolating right from the off. I bet he was calling it from February.


*how long I don’t know, 3 weeks, 6 weeks? Should have happened though. We’re still seeing around 4,000 new cases a day .
 
Eds said:
Thanks and your job title is?
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Considering the lead advisor flaunted lockdown rules in both England and in Scotland, it doesn’t matter what qualifications people have got. The top brass don’t give a shit so we may as well listen to the average Joe. Might get more sense out of us!
 
Gelsons Dad said:
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Please could you explain what.....
 
True_Blue69 said:
How many have been very ill through the various other illnesses that are out there, which don't prevent us from leaving our houses for 2 months and destroy our lives as we knew them for the foreseeable. People talk like it's the only illness that exists in the world.
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Yeah, I don’t get the hysteria personally for something that’s just like the flu.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I was calling for it when it was declared a pandemic (10th March).

In the first month of the lockdown I kept saying that there were (and still are) far too many out and about and from 20th March for *a period of time we should have had a proper lockdown like Italy and Spain did for six weeks.

Continual reports were coming out about the nature of this showing asymptomatically in many people and we had people all walking, running and cycling past each other within the 2m gap - and still are.

@Marvin was calling it about testing, tracing and isolating right from the off. I bet he was calling it from February.


*how long I don’t know, 3 weeks, 6 weeks? Should have happened though. We’re still seeing around 4,000 new cases a day .
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but here is the crux of the issue when even now nobody can agree on how long the lockdown should last. Given that we are still seeing 4,000 new cases a day but from significantly more tests it could be argued infection rates are going down, certainly in the percentage terms. However it is still, even after a few months, a great unknown in terms of how many have had it or got it. Personally I have seen more people out and about over the past week or so and more food places opening up, The cynic in me says that the owners have furloughed their staff, seen the government pay their wages, they have received the grants and now they are partially opening up as take aways. Think this Sunday we will hear about an easing to happen in the next few weeks. Won't please everybody but I would rather be here in 12 months time than in a box six foot under
 
Rammy Blue said:
Yeah, I don’t get the hysteria personally for something that’s just like the flu.
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Default response when someone doesn't have an answer, why bother? Our hospitals are always full according to the news, unless apparently we are in the midst of a global pandemic and now they are all near empty.
 
johnnytapia said:
Please could you explain what.....
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Its the best way to understand the true death rate in England hospitals. Not the figure given out that adds up deaths reported yesterday going back weeks

Top you see the date then the cumulative total by day reading down. The shaded sloped areas show recent weeks 5 day total so you can see how it rises day by day.

This shows very clearly that each parameter is heading downward and slowing.

As you see only 54 deaths were reported yesterday - but the figure you hear will be over 300 - as that adds on all the extra deaths confirmed from up to 2 months ago. But note that for 11 consecutive days now the day reported total has been sub 100. Whereas prior to tha it only was once during April.

Tomorrow that 54 will rise to a much higher one but as you can see from recent second day totals likely under 200.

Whereas on 8 April the second day total was 496.
 
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Brendan110_0 said:
I blame bailing out the banks in 2008 - this led directly to the Conservative austerity for 10 years after ousting Labour (who did the deal with banks). Blaming the incumbent government is easy, thinking back to a root cause is difficult for many. The PPE thing is a globalisation problem - we need to secure our own manufacture base in future, not hawk it out to Asia.
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We sent a ton of PPE to china,the one place that makes loads of it,SAGE were warning boris about what was coming out way,hiding behind the science was easy to say,Vallance says they were guided by the science but what to do was a gov decision,something else I said at the time
 
Healdplace said:
Its the best way to understand the true death rate in England hospitals. Not the figure given out that adds up deaths reported yesterday going back weeks

Top you see the date then the cumulative total by day reading down. The shaded sloped areas show recent weeks 5 day total so you can see how it rises day by day.

This shows very clearly that each parameter is heading downward and slowing.

As you see only 54 deaths were reported yesterday - but the figure you hear will be over 300 - as that adds on all the extra deaths confirmed from up to 2 months ago. But note that for 11 consecutive days now the day reported total has been sub 100. Whereas prior to tha it only was once during April.

Tomorrow that 54 will rise to a much higher one but as you can see from recent second day totals likely under 200.

Whereas on 8 April the second day total was 496.
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Lol
 
Updated excess mortality figures.



Doesn’t look good for us but I believe we’re one of the only ones who have provided upto date data, I know Italy have only reported upto end of March, not sure about Spain & Belgium who have similar figures to ours.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Don't forget that on the 14th Jan WHO said no evidence on H2H and the were still saying no need to ban flights into FEB. I would be careful using WHO as a useful source and as for YouTube bloggers making money out of death stats I would stay well clear. Here is his PayPal link if you want to donate to his "project" https://www.paypal.com/donate/?toke...0ceySTTBAEB7uGvqDfPW&country.x=AU&locale.x=AU
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You still got it in for the guy who is just a nurse? He is trying to teach ,i don't think I will disregard the WHO if you don't mind
 
Claytop said:
Updated excess mortality figures.



Doesn’t look good for us but I believe we’re one of the only ones who have provided upto date data, I know Italy have only reported upto end of March, not sure about Spain & Belgium who have similar figures to ours.
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So bottom line is, this virus has killed a lot more people than what has been reported?
 
hgblue said:
The idea is that the young and healthy who are largely unaffected by this virus continue to work and go to school whilst the elderly and vulnerable are shielded. Once sufficient of the healthy population have had the virus the crisis is over and those who’ve had to be shielded can live a normal life again. Long term this is the best way to protect the elderly and vulnerable + no second wave + no mountain of debt for future generations to pay off + no excess deaths due to mental health issues etc + no excess deaths due to the massive recession that’s coming + millions of people not losing their jobs + an entire nation not scared shitless at the prospect of leaving their house.
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The vulnerable are made up of all age groups,mums and dad's of these young and healthy people and kids,the notion that the young and healthy can go out just like that,they carry the illness without having symptoms so they have to be restricted for the sake of other people,their parents who are vulnerable,i would have thought by now the fact that we are all protecting each other would be understood
 
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