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karen7 said:
I don't think it was that long ago but I see what you mean,we are a few decades ahead now science wise and patients don't die with aids like they used to do ,we can use those same drugs if the trials work out for covid,nothing is going to be 100%,we will have to live with covid now,the hope is it becomes weaker and a vaccine can be given to the at risk people like flu and pneumonia jabs are now,it should be more of a flu type situation going towards and an aids type situation
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Agreed I got exited 30 years ago, I do hope what your saying is true, stay safe.
 
karen7 said:
I don't think it was that long ago but I see what you mean,we are a few decades ahead now science wise and patients don't die with aids like they used to do ,we can use those same drugs if the trials work out for covid,nothing is going to be 100%,we will have to live with covid now,the hope is it becomes weaker and a vaccine can be given to the at risk people like flu and pneumonia jabs are now,it should be more of a flu type situation going towards and an aids type situation
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Late 70's AIDS showed up.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
funnily enough, when I deal with Londoners they give me the sense that they feel they are two decades ahead of the rest of the uk
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From what I've seen there is a strange sort of snobbery attached to living inside the m25 and paying three times the going rate for a house. Londoners will have you believe it's great because of the arts,culture,nightlife etc, but the reality is that most are living a shitty little hand to mouth existence that revolves around a job. If they swallowed their pride and moved fifty miles out they could have a great life and the commute on a mainline train would be about the same as the tube journey. Bit off thread topic sorry.
 
A lad who I know has now been on a ventilator for 12 days and whilst stable has shown little progress. It brings home how nasty this illness is. When they do start lifting restrictions, people still need to be careful. This fella is 52.
 
karen7 said:
Did it,i thought it was late 80's thing,time flies,the advert with the gravestone was chilling,i often thought they should have brought that back when the campaign to get everyone to wear a condom was about
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Yeah. It was late 70's. Watched something the other night about it.
I was going to say it gave me the willys but I won't.
 
karen7 said:
Did it,i thought it was late 80's thing,time flies,the advert with the gravestone was chilling,i often thought they should have brought that back when the campaign to get everyone to wear a condom was about
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It was early 80's that it started showing up as an issue though it had been around and not known about before then.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Try a good 75% away. I reckon circa 5% of the population have caught this so far. If I am right then that would mean trying to get herd immunity before a vaccine or effective treatment would mean another 15x the current 30 to 40 thousand dead. It's an insane "strategy".
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Do you know if any modeling has been done on the approximate time frame to even reach the 80
% Mark? Probably impossible to even get close to a time line as each wave will be adapted on the crowd control measures as we learn more.

We have been heading towards a policy decision of H.I vs rolling lockdowns whilst waiting for effective anti viral/vaccine for about a month now. I just can’t work out which is the quickest and least painful route out of this. Vaccine if we are lucky maybe this time next year - H.I 80% - 3 years at this rate ???

i know there’s a lot of caveats that need to be inserted into that equation re testing capacity, antibodies, social behavior modifications etc but surely this is where the people round the tables in power are at.
 
karen7 said:
Who says they dont spread it? The whole idea of keeping school closed is that they can't catch it from each other and take it home and why grandparents haven't been able to see their grandkids for two months and why kids of key workers who can't be looked after by their grandparents are at school
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It's complicated and counter intuitive compared with flu. Kids are definately not superspreaders and barely show up at all in contact tracing studdies.
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/2/21241636/coronavirus-children-kids-spread-transmit-switzerland

Anyway we just have to watch Switzerland. If they are successful opening primary schools then so can we - subject to controlling the congregation of adults at the gates of course because they can spread it.
 
BlueAnorak said:
It's complicated and counter intuitive compared with flu. Kids are definately not superspreaders and barely show up at all in contact tracing studdies.
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/2/21241636/coronavirus-children-kids-spread-transmit-switzerland

Anyway we just have to watch Switzerland. If they are successful opening primary schools then so can we - subject to controlling the congregation of adults at the gates of course because they can spread it.
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I am going to stick with this bit of your link
But the science is far from settled. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says kids “can still pass this virus onto others who may be at higher risk, including older adults and people who have serious underlying medical conditions.” And other studies show children continue to display similar transmission abilities as adults, leading experts to caution against trusting kids not to spread the disease

It makes no sense what you say about it not being the kids but parents picking them up from school,we won't learn everything based on primary schools alone ,what about all the other age groups at school,if I go with kids not transmitting it then what about when they get to 15/16, more adult than children
 
True_Blue69 said:
Extensive study by the University of East Anglia finds that other than stopping mass gatherings and closing schools the lockdown has had little effect

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eals-blueprint-getting-Covid-19-lockdown.html

Just need the Bluemoon experts to set them straight please.
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"Lockdown wasn't necessary as social distancing alone would work." Good grief - without a lockdown, and everyone still going to work, how do you do social distancing on trains and planes and in offices?

"Closing schools worked" - while Switzerland says no evidence of children passing it to adults...

You'd think "East Anglia University" should have raised an eyebrow. Rather like the "Imperial" people who knew sod all about it.
 
karen7 said:
I am going to stick with this bit of your link
But the science is far from settled. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says kids “can still pass this virus onto others who may be at higher risk, including older adults and people who have serious underlying medical conditions.” And other studies show children continue to display similar transmission abilities as adults, leading experts to caution against trusting kids not to spread the disease

It makes no sense what you say about it not being the kids but parents picking them up from school,we won't learn everything based on primary schools alone ,what about all the other age groups at school,if I go with kids not transmitting it then what about when they get to 15/16, more adult than children
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As I said, we just have to watch the Swis experiment and if it is successful then adopt it en masse.
 
karen7 said:
Kids don't get symptoms,they have and can pass it on like everyone else
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I thought so as well to be honest which was why I was surprised they put it in there. Unless it's the same as the immunity line and until they have concrete evidence they don't want to commit either way?
 
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