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mcfc1632 said:
I also would like a deal - but only a deal that is beneficial for the UK (as well as the EU) and does not compromise our status as an independent nation.

It is there for the EU to conclude - they just need to get over themselves and stop expecting a deal that confirms perpetual hegemony for them.

We should all want to avoid that.

So it is there for the EU - they just need to get on with it - or get off the pot.

One of the significant benefits of Brexit is that there is no need for workers in key roles - such as health sector - to worry about being attractive to the UK. This is the case no matter which country around the world they are from - with the high levels of discrimination that is inherent to EU membership stripped away.
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By "key roles" you obviously don't mean those we now refer to as "key workers" - all those whose wages will be way lower than the minimum needed to get a visa.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Are you Barnier in disguise?

You can it seems only look at things from the EU end of the telescope - from our (the UK's) end - the view is also that:

"We are not Canada or Japan and therefore we are not going to get a copy paste deal...…."

We are more import ant to the EU by far - and therefore should get a form of Canada ++ but we are not even seeking that.

But it is irrelevant - and your insults on intelligence simply demonstrate the paucity of your reasoning on this.

It is black and white - the UK has set out the basic principles that reflect functioning as an independent nation - state and the EU can opt to conclude a TA on that basis - or not.

So - as I said (and it did not take much intelligence to be spot on - there should be no consideration of a extension unless and until the EU agree to accommodate those principles. Such an extension would patently serve no purpose.

I support the UK wishing to be an independent nation and not an annexation of the EU - frankly I suggest that all (at least most) UK citizens do/should want that. When explained as plainly as that to the people of the UK, I suspect that you are likely to be an exception - and part of a small minority.
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If nothing else, an extension would give more time to prepare for the absolute chaos of ending "transition" with nothing in place for the myriad things we could take for granted as members. How's our wing and a prayer alternative Galileo project going? The Health Department wanted to retain membership of the EU's Early Warning and Response System (EWRS) as part of the future relationship deal – but "Number 10" said no (presumably the non-elected eminence greasy who runs it).
 
mcfc1632 said:
I also would like a deal - but only a deal that is beneficial for the UK (as well as the EU) and does not compromise our status as an independent nation.

It is there for the EU to conclude - they just need to get over themselves and stop expecting a deal that confirms perpetual hegemony for them.

We should all want to avoid that.

So it is there for the EU - they just need to get on with it - or get off the pot.

One of the significant benefits of Brexit is that there is no need for workers in key roles - such as health sector - to worry about being attractive to the UK. This is the case no matter which country around the world they are from - with the high levels of discrimination that is inherent to EU membership stripped away.
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And then give the same deal to the rest of the world? Because they've capitulated to the UK? Unicorns are that way ---------------------->
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
And in the event of a no deal what do you think would happen the day after the deadline? If you were a French chicken farmer or a German car maker and Tesco and VW in the UK placed orders for a 250,000 chickens and 250 VW Golfs the week after a no deal as they usually did, what do you think would happen? Genuine question.
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Because of Covid19... they will have enough of an internal market without having to bother with the caffufel of dealing with the UK
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
And in the event of a no deal what do you think would happen the day after the deadline? If you were a French chicken farmer or a German car maker and Tesco and VW in the UK placed orders for a 250,000 chickens and 250 VW Golfs the week after a no deal as they usually did, what do you think would happen? Genuine question.
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For the VWs there would be a 10% tariff applied on the way into the UK. There would also be additional costs and delays at the border due to new customs arrangements and costs related to compliance with our new British standards, so the upshot would be that a VW currently costing £20k would cost maybe £26k to the consumer. Of course the UK could unilaterally waive the tariff which would bring the price down somewhat but there would be no guarantee that Europe would reciprocate for our exports because there would be no deal.

For chickens there would be a tariff of €21.60 for every 100kg of chickens so the cost to Tesco for 250,000 chickens would be about £100k more plus additional shipping costs which would be recouped from the consumer. They would also have a shorter sell by as they would take longer to get here.

Does that answer your question?
 
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west didsblue said:
For the VWs there would be a 10% tariff applied on the way into the UK. There would also be additional costs and delays at the border due to new customs arrangements and costs related to compliance with our new British standards, so the upshot would be that a VW currently costing £20k would cost maybe £26k to the consumer. Of course the UK could unilaterally waive the tariff which would bring the price down somewhat but there would be no guarantee that Europe would reciprocate for our exports because there would be no deal.

For chickens there would be a tariff of €21.60 for every 100kg of chickens so the cost to Tesco for 250,000 chickens would be about £100k more plus additional shipping costs which would be recouped from the consumer. They would also have a shorter sell by as they would take longer to get here.

Does that answer your question?
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So if these cars arrive in Sheerness on 1st January, VW will have to submit customs declarations and be liable to checks to make sure they are VWs and someone will have to collect the right customs, VAT and excise duties. If they need PPE we're stuffed.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Because of Covid19... they will have enough of an internal market without having to bother with the caffufel of dealing with the UK
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Sorry to pop your balloon filled with your usual pessimism and hate of the UK but you convieniently forget that we will become their biggest trading partner. But you are wrong most of the time.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Because of Covid19... they will have enough of an internal market without having to bother with the caffufel of dealing with the UK
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Whenever I ask this question the pro remain camp either refuse to answer or grudgingly admit that trade would continue. You fall into the first bracket with your silly answer.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Please tell me what we can manufacture or produce that they cant sort themselves...
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That’s not the issue, the Covid crisis has plunged most of the EU nations into recession. This means they need to ramp up production and they will be desperate for export markets. The UK is their most important export market. Many, many jobs in member states rely on these exports. The Italian nation has been traumatised by what’s happened to them and are already mightily pissed with the lack of solidarity being shown towards them. Imagine their delight when they are informed that their exports are going to have a tariff applied because the EU want to bully Britain and we told them to do one.
 
hgblue said:
That’s not the issue, the Covid crisis has plunged most of the EU nations into recession. This means they need to ramp up production and they will be desperate for export markets. The UK is their most important export market. Many, many jobs in member states rely on these exports. The Italian nation has been traumatised by what’s happened to them and are already mightily pissed with the lack of solidarity being shown towards them. Imagine their delight when they are informed that their exports are going to have a tariff applied because the EU want to bully Britain and we told them to do one.
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Really? Given the BoE forecasts and likely continued lockdown our economy is shrinking by the day - German car manufacturers and French wine makers won't look to export to a market where no-one has any money to buy.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Really? Given the BoE forecasts and likely continued lockdown our economy is shrinking by the day - German car manufacturers and French wine makers won't look to export to a market where no-one has any money to buy.
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And where showroom prices will need to go up by around 30%. 10% for tariffs, 10% for additional logistics and regulatory compliance costs and 10% for exchange rate changes due to the weaker pound. Just my opinion but it would be interesting if someone could explain why I might be wrong.
 
west didsblue said:
And where showroom prices will need to go up by around 30%. 10% for tariffs, 10% for additional logistics and regulatory compliance costs and 10% for exchange rate changes due to the weaker pound. Just my opinion but it would be interesting if someone could explain why I might be wrong.
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I think you are spot on. It's a really tricky problem for German car manufacturers.
 
Gaudion M said:
It is a bit like walking into a car dealership and demanding £20k trade in on an old banger. The fact i'm pointing out that your assessment of the deal is way off, it's naive and misinformed doesn't put me on the side of the car dealership. I'm just pointing out that you are wrong and however you dress it up the basic facts don't change - the EU will not create a back door to the single market.

This is heading to a no deal - that or a deal that mitigates the logistical / technical problems that no deal will cause at ports. Some sort of extension dressed up as a deal maybe. Limited in time perhaps as BJ can not be trusted. or no deal phased in so the mess at the ports can be avoided. There is nothing good in this outcome.
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You are so self obsessed

You do not even bother to read the post that you reply to - you are so keen to trot out yet more of your blinkered nonsense

I will try to make it easier for you by simplifying things

1. You say......

".....you are wrong and however you dress it up the basic facts don't change - the EU will not create a back door to the single market."

Well patently you are wrong because you are suggesting that I am saying things that I am/have not - probably because you do not even bother to read the post that you reply to - you are so keen to trot out yet more of your blinkered nonsense

I have simply been saying that we have set out our positions and we should not change those positions - so it is black and white - for there to be a deal - the EU has to accommodate our views - I HAVE NOT SAID THAT THEY WILL - is that clear????

I have also said that if they will not - there is no point in any extension and one should not be considered

2. We have previously established that you have a habit of posting in a style that expresses utter certainty that you are right - that despite a track record of having been so far wholly and repeatedly wrong about how this will unfold

So please excuse me not giving a single fuck about your increasing need to throw out insults about my intelligence, naivety and being misinformed.

3. Given you are a broken record and have been proven to be repeatedly wrong - just why the fuck am I bothering replying to you?
 
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