COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BosnianBlue]

just remembered I got a baby due July so likely August! Jeez.

I recall you were complaining about some wedding shit on the day West Ham plays, have you managed it? To marry, not the game :D

 

[BosnianBlue]

Recovering this morning from the worst discussion I have had ever with my Dad last night. He was a life long Labour supporter who - in my view obvs - was turned by the Brexit narrative but has become someone who politically and socially I barely recognise. He has become so rabid racist right wing were he not my Dad I wouldn't maintain contact with him. Tonight he revealed that because " of what he has seen on his phone as he no longer watches the msm" that -
1/ The virus is being spread by Muslims as mosques are still open and the Police act upon reports of VE Day parties not Friday Mosque prayers.
2/ There are more infected illegals getting into the UK than might be coming in on authorised airline flights
3/ people need to just use common sense and steer clear of foreigners
4/ the media are inflating the number of dead and its about 3,000 tops no matter what they say
I am devastated - the man I looked up to is no longer what I thought - I really don't know what to say to him and worst of all I am not sure I want to call my 82 year old Dad again next week at the agreed time .....devastated.

that's some really serious brexitis case :(

Call him mate, he is your dad. He is old (2 years older than my dad) and who knows how much time they are left with. Try not to talk about that stuff with him, very hard to explain anything to people of his age and even more to make them agree with anything.

 

[roman totale]

^ Wow. That’s awful, some next-level whackjoberry. I have a mate here in the US who has done the same and gone full-Trump. He’s a mate though and I can still tell him to shut up and fcuk off. This is your dad though and I can’t imagine what I’d do if mine lost it like that.

 

[oakiecokie]

I’m in a hospital ward and you’d be the youngest one here, just hope I get out before I catch this

Hope you`re OK hinchy ? How long are you likely to be in ?

 

[andyhinch]

Hope you`re OK hinchy ? How long are you likely to be in ?

Hope I’m out tomorrow mate

 

[bluethrunthru]

that's some really serious brexitis case :(

Call him mate, he is your dad. He is old (2 years older than my dad) and who knows how much time they are left with. Try not to talk about that stuff with him, very hard to explain anything to people of his age and even more to make them agree with anything.

spoke to him tonight - it was that Brexit Farage anti Muslim exnophpobic bile but tonight in our weekly phone call it was so bad I am not sure I can call my own Dad again

 

[bluemoon32]

Got it. Thanks Boris.

Work from home, unless you can’t, in which case go to work, but if you do go to work don’t use public transport, unless you have to, and if you have to then keep your distance, and we will have some more information later in the week probably about how you can keep safe if you have to go to work, but if you don’t then please stay home and help prevent the spread of the disease, unless you can’t.

 

[DJBusinesscake]

There are lots of unanswered questions because in some areas there are no answers at the moment. The whole thing is progressing and changing daily.

Some of the points you mention shouldn’t need a grown adult telling another grown adult what it means.

“- clear reasoning as to why its okay to see your work colleagues and bosses but you cant see your family from a distance”

Take this one for example, it’s obvious, you’re not “seeing them”, you’re working with them, it will contribute to the economy and is needed. Having a cup of tea with your mum and dad is not, especially when aunties, uncles, brothers, sisters can just pop round as well with the same attitude.

No government should ever be truly transparent with the public, it’s a recipe for disaster but if you feel they aren’t telling the truth then you have to do some research, too many just now press the send button without thinking.

Also for someone who has shown mass panic on the situation on both here and Twitter, it might not be helpful to not miss an important announcement on the matter, especially when unless a family emergency is happening, there is nothing to miss it for.

No, fuck the economy, fuck 'way of life', if im going to work with people who i dont know what they get up outside of work, then im fucking seeing a relative who may be ill of camcer etc. Youre being very black and white, whilst there is a massive grey area.

We are pawns and guinea pigs, and we have a right to be sceptical of this shit. You reckon Wales, Scotland and northern Ireland have extended lockdown for the fun of it?

I hope you don't experience a death in the family due to this 'go back to work' policy. And if you do, i wont give a shit about the economy, il be sad for you, as i will be for anyone and myself.

And as for those talking about 'scaremongering' tell that to the 30,000+ fucking families who are living this shit.

 

[andyhinch]

Got it. Thanks Boris.

Work from home, unless you can’t, in which case go to work, but if you do go to work don’t use public transport, unless you have to, and if you have to then keep your distance, and we will have some more information later in the week probably about how you can keep safe if you have to go to work, but if you don’t then please stay home and help prevent the spread of the disease, unless you can’t.

And be alert unless your thinking of something else obviously

 

[SWP's back]

As an ex seaman I'm used to isolation, being separated from loved ones etcetera so I am okay with that part. Patience we had to have. Funnily enough it helped to have no internet, tv or being able to just pick up a phone and talk to someone when I wanted. You just kind of went into the zone and just concentrated on your life in the now. The slightly wobbly bit is the uncertainty. At sea we knew after 4-6 months it would be over and we could enjoy life again. We had an end in sight. With this there isn't one.

To be fair, we’re all ex semen.

 

[SWP's back]

Recovering this morning from the worst discussion I have had ever with my Dad last night. He was a life long Labour supporter who - in my view obvs - was turned by the Brexit narrative but has become someone who politically and socially I barely recognise. He has become so rabid racist right wing were he not my Dad I wouldn't maintain contact with him. Tonight he revealed that because " of what he has seen on his phone as he no longer watches the msm" that -
1/ The virus is being spread by Muslims as mosques are still open and the Police act upon reports of VE Day parties not Friday Mosque prayers.
2/ There are more infected illegals getting into the UK than might be coming in on authorised airline flights
3/ people need to just use common sense and steer clear of foreigners
4/ the media are inflating the number of dead and its about 3,000 tops no matter what they say
I am devastated - the man I looked up to is no longer what I thought - I really don't know what to say to him and worst of all I am not sure I want to call my 82 year old Dad again next week at the agreed time .....devastated.

Honest advice, he’s your Dad. Call him every day. Don’t discuss politics. Make sure he knows you love him. Treasure the time you have and enjoy being able to call him.

One day that option won’t be available to you and you won’t give a fuck about his politics. You’ll just miss him.

 

[Vic]

With the lockdown we have we are just going to be going round in circles having wave lockdown wave lockdown that will be going on for years if no vaccine is found.

Only solution I see is locking down the older generations and letting the younger build up herd immunity.

The lockdown wouldn't be compulsory each individual has to weigh up the risks

I think that "only solution" may be exactly what lies behind last night's announcement.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...1D4WUeQfEB_ZpJURNkv-2ICHy4Gh9JjeVCIhghXNvYDTg

 

[Vic]

For those who think the advice was clear, is it still the old advice that you should go into work only if it is essential (or if the boss says it's essential) and does "for instance, construction or manufacturing" mean that people not building or making things can now say they're not going in because it's not an instance?

 

[SWP's back]

For those who think the advice was clear, is it still the old advice that you should go into work only if it is essential (or if the boss says it's essential) and does "for instance, construction or manufacturing" mean that people not building or making things can now say they're not going in because it's not an instance?

I’m sure you’ll find out when the accompanying 50 page document is released today.

 

[urban genie]

London chamber of comerce advising businesses in the capital to change nothing yet until a detailed plan how to manage this.

The TUC has told workers to utulize section 44 of the employment rights act to refuse to work if your workplace isn't safe to do so, under the act you cannot face any recriminations for refusing.

See Section 44.1(d) and Section 44.1(e) below:

(d) in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent and which he could not reasonably have been expected to avert, he left (or proposed to leave) or (while the danger persisted) refused to return to his place of work or any dangerous part of his place of work, or

(e) in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent, he took (or proposed to take) appropriate steps to protect himself or other persons from the danger.

 

[Coatigan]

Recovering this morning from the worst discussion I have had ever with my Dad last night. He was a life long Labour supporter who - in my view obvs - was turned by the Brexit narrative but has become someone who politically and socially I barely recognise. He has become so rabid racist right wing were he not my Dad I wouldn't maintain contact with him. Tonight he revealed that because " of what he has seen on his phone as he no longer watches the msm" that -
1/ The virus is being spread by Muslims as mosques are still open and the Police act upon reports of VE Day parties not Friday Mosque prayers.
2/ There are more infected illegals getting into the UK than might be coming in on authorised airline flights
3/ people need to just use common sense and steer clear of foreigners
4/ the media are inflating the number of dead and its about 3,000 tops no matter what they say
I am devastated - the man I looked up to is no longer what I thought - I really don't know what to say to him and worst of all I am not sure I want to call my 82 year old Dad again next week at the agreed time .....devastated.

That's a shame, i feel for both of you, the discomfort that creates. Unfortunaty, (trying to keep this brief as it is for the politics thread) that narrative is here to stay, enough shit has been thrown at walls that some is bound to stick, the blame game has gone on so long that it has eroded away at people. Plus we had a good few years of brexit promoters telling us it is not only normal, but right to lash out and make decisions based on spoon fed predjudice, and that doesnt make you xenophobic. If someone like him can turn that way, who is to say others less socially conscious don't find it an easy latch, or heck that it won't be you one day.
In these times, that at least should be very much distant background, focus on the positives, health, and the years of good.

 

[lancs blue]

I’m sure you’ll find out when the accompanying 50 page document is released today.

The trouble is most people won't bother to read it, that's why I felt the summary sheet was too vague, too much leeway could be taken from it - unless that was the intention.

 

[urban genie]

Doesn't matter every country that has been sucessful has had mass testing, until we do we are endangering and sacrificing people

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Across Europe, countries are easing the lockdown, hoping that it will not lead to a second wave of infections.

In France, primary schools will start with small numbers of pupils today, and clothes shops, bookshops, hair salons and florists will reopen. Restaurants, cinemas and bars will remain shut.

In Belgium, most business will open on Monday albeit with social distancing. Restaurants, bars and cafes remain closed.

In the Netherlands, primary schools will partially reopen today. Libraries, physiotherapists, driving schools and hairdressers will also open.

In Switzerland, both primary and middle schools will reopen but classes will be reduced in size. Restaurants, bookshops and museums can also open but with certain restrictions.

In some regions of Spain, gatherings of up to ten people will be allowed and outdoor spaces at restaurants can reopen with social distancing measures.

In the UK, England will ease some of the lockdown measures this week, but other parts of the UK will keep stricter guidelines.

In Denmark, shopping centres can reopen on Monday while in Poland, hotels can reopen this week - although foreign tourists would still have to quarantine for two weeks.

Other European countries like Germany, Austria and Italy have already begun easing their restrictions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52612438

 

[George Hannah]

I think that "only solution" may be exactly what lies behind last night's announcement.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...1D4WUeQfEB_ZpJURNkv-2ICHy4Gh9JjeVCIhghXNvYDTg

stubble burning would be a better description