COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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karen7 said:
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Gormlous George Eustice

Gathering data from abroad to aid our lifting of restrictions? We are behind several countries so we are watching them closely,south Korea are a good example on contract tracing and Germany and their testing capacity

Financial question about those who can't work and businesses ? see gov website

Media

Do you regret stopping testing and tracking in March ? We had to build capacity and hire tracers,priority was for the nhs,now anyone over five with symptoms can get a test
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Strategy based on capacity and not science ? Swerved ,later answered yes by the CMO

Schools,do you accept people are scared? we are working with unions,other countries have shown ways to do it,kids need to be in school,other people have kept working
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Leadership failures in testing and PPE etc why should teachers and parents trust you? Don't agree we made any mistakes
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Scientific or political decision to send kids to school? We are following the science,but all of us are going to have to live with the virus,schools included

Patients from hospital into care homes with covid ? Don't accept we took the wrong approach to care homes ,some few may have been sent back to care homes with no symptoms,we now test all patients on discharge

(Swerved by him and the CMO also doesn't accept that scientific advice is kept secret)

(Three times he doesn't accept failings or wrong decisions,dickhead)

WHO said in March to test test test,why did you stop doing it,who decided to stop,scientists or ministers ? Had to find out who in hospital had it at the time,low capacity at the time

Brexit question

Lockdown being lifted in remote areas who haven't had any covid cases ? Looking at it

Funding to councils questions

Testing in Portsmouth ,results taking too long and inconclusive ? In a small amount of cases there is a problem and a repeat test is needed
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So, we’re now following other countries and learning from their best practices. Novel approach...
 
Gabriel said:
So, we’re now following other countries and learning from their best practices. Novel approach...
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Watched a prog last night about us and South Korea and how we went in total different directions,we moved out of contain way too early,they stayed in,developed a test in a week and tested, tracted and traced, with app,the fuck out of the country
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Depends how things play out. If he's getting people through this stage which we're at, then the situation improves even by a different means, will he have done any damage?
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Whatever gets you through but it is ,imo ,far better to face up to things as they are,appreciate the progress but don't be lulled into thinking all is good
 
karen7 said:
Whatever gets you through but it is ,imo ,far better to face up to things as they are,appreciate the progress but don't be lulled into thinking all is good
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I don't disagree Karen. It's important to face things up but also important to try and see light at the end of a dark tunnel is all.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Depends how things play out. If he's getting people through this stage which we're at, then the situation improves even by a different means, will he have done any damage?
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I'm not advocating painting an unnecessarily bleak picture either but I was listening to some mental health expert who had done a lot of work with the armed forces in Afghanistan. He was saying that you just have to be as honest as possible about things when there aren't certainties that you can give people. If you paint an overly bleak picture then clearly that is no good but he said they realised that if they gave soldiers an optimistic prediction of when they would be going home then it was noticeable how detrimental it was to mental health in the long run when those predictions didn't come to fruition. He noted that if you were just as honest as possible from the start, even if the predictions were not what people wanted to hear, they were able to prepare themselves for what was to come and tended to cope much better mentally overall. He was referencing this in the context of discussing covid and his view was that people need to know the most likely scenario where possible. Every time I have seen anything from that oncologist, it has been something that just seems unlikely and highly optimistic. I'm not sure that helps anyone tbh. But that's only my opinion.
 
For those that have had it, what were the early symptoms? I’ve been exhausted today, had three naps, feel a bit flushed and sore heady. Can’t concentrate. Don’t have any issues with a cough, breathing or loss in taste or smell. It feels very much like the flu that I get every year in October time but with that I can’t leave the bed for 48 hours.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Depends how things play out. If he's getting people through this stage which we're at, then the situation improves even by a different means, will he have done any damage?
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My problem with him is that he doesn't appreciate the potential danger of his words. I follow him as I do think he says some useful things sometimes. Other times though he infuriates me. The other day he shared his thoughts that it may burn out. A theory that was basically just one possibility, literally just based on a hopeful guess tbh. Next day we've got articles in national newspapers saying 'leading professor says coronavirus could disappear'. This could then lead people to not take it seriously, dropping their guard and not 'staying alert', which could then result in the potential death of one our loved ones.

Yes, I know he didn't write those headlines, but he simply has to be more cautious. He's an intelligent man and should be aware of the potential effects of tweeting that out to 250k followers. You can literally see the effects on here - posters have cited their opinion that it could just go away, referencing him. Im not saying they have dropped their guard personally, but I guarantee someone would have. Its dangerous IMO, and it needs more consideration. I don't mind optimism, and I do appreciate it, but he needs to consider his approach a bit more at times.
 
I'll probably get flamed for this, and I should start with a big caveat that clearly *some* people do have mental health issues which are very real and sometimes very serious.

However, it seem to me that either the entire nation is suffering from some kind of weird and inexplicable explosion in mental illness... Or, the alternative far more likely scenario, which is that there a fuck of a load of snowflakes who just need to man the fuck up.

Only last night I heard some poor soul whinging on about how worried they were about COVID-19 and that "i'm worried about the effect on my mental health". Do people not realise that "being worried" is perfectly normal??? Some people seem incapable of dealing with even an atom of stress. I've spent my entire life being stressed and worried. It's what humans do. And we just have to get on with it, not whinge about "our mental health".
 
jay_mcfc said:
For those that have had it, what were the early symptoms? I’ve been exhausted today, had three naps, feel a bit flushed and sore heady. Can’t concentrate. Don’t have any issues with a cough, breathing or loss in taste or smell. It feels very much like the flu that I get every year in October time but with that I can’t leave the bed for 48 hours.
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It hits people differently lovely,if you start coughing and feeling a tight chested in a few days time and get a temperature then Call 111 and get advice
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, and I should start with a big caveat that clearly *some* people do have mental health issues which are very real and sometimes very serious.

However, it seem to me that either the entire nation is suffering from some kind of weird and inexplicable explosion in mental illness... Or, the alternative far more likely scenario, which is that there a fuck of a load of snowflakes who just need to man the fuck up.

Only last night I heard some poor soul whinging on about how worried they were about COVID-19 and that "i'm worried about the effect on my mental health". Do people not realise that "being worried" is perfectly normal??? Some people seem incapable of dealing with even an atom of stress. I've spent my entire life being stressed and worried. It's what humans do. And we just have to get on with it, not whinge about "our mental health".
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Chippy_boy said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, and I should start with a big caveat that clearly *some* people do have mental health issues which are very real and sometimes very serious.

However, it seem to me that either the entire nation is suffering from some kind of weird and inexplicable explosion in mental illness... Or, the alternative far more likely scenario, which is that there a fuck of a load of snowflakes who just need to man the fuck up.

Only last night I heard some poor soul whinging on about how worried they were about COVID-19 and that "i'm worried about the effect on my mental health". Do people not realise that "being worried" is perfectly normal??? Some people seem incapable of dealing with even an atom of stress. I've spent my entire life being stressed and worried. It's what humans do. And we just have to get on with it, not whinge about "our mental health".
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Oh chippy
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I think it's quite good. As someone else pointed out, the scientists seem to be getting increasingly fed up with questions from the media.
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Nah.
Lots of implied criticism of government.
Like Germany, South Korea really great at testing AND
On schools opening - it is perfectly possible to have a rapid responsive testing system in place, that would be the scientific advice and it is an operational matter ( I.e. over to you Government).
 
Len Rum said:
Nah.
Lots of implied criticism of government.
Like Germany, South Korea really great at testing AND
On schools opening - it is perfectly possible to have a rapid responsive testing system in place, that would be the scientific advice and it is an operational matter ( I.e. over to you Government).
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given her performance and nerves it also felt a bit like the govt could not get anyone more senior to do the press conference .

but I suppose if it’s good enough for the government it’s good enough for the scientists .
 
karen7 said:
It hits people differently lovely,if you start coughing and feeling a tight chested in a few days time and get a temperature then Call 111 and get advice
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Thanks. I’m not arsed about myself, I don’t want my 3yo to get it as he has a hole is an artery and I don’t know how that would play out. It can cause him breathing difficulties, especially in the heat so it’s tricky.
 
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