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More Brexit news. Source Guardian.

More bad news for UK. EU diplomats - who have now read UK texts - back Michel Barnier’s charge that UK is cherry picking. UK sources were withering about Barnier resorting to the “old script”, but British claims of wanting 'the best of Canada' don’t convince.

Here are a handful of areas where the EU thinks the UK is effectively seeking status quo: mutual recognition agreements for industry; professional services, such as law and auditing; energy interconnection on the internal market; rights for lorry drivers and more.

And there is an eye-rolling weariness every time a British negotiator pronounces that the UK is a sovereign state. The EU say they they know this. They are also sovereign states. That’s why they set the conditions for entry into their market. Hard cheese.’
That's about as balanced as the mail would be in the other direction Tbf. Still, at least you were honest enough to admit it was the guardian.
 
Given the UK wants and has asked for a special super, duper deal then yes, it is bad news.
It seems the UK are seeking to cherry pick, just as the EU are making a few unacceptable demands of their own. The options seem to be as follows. UK don't budge and walk away with a mutually harmful 'no deal'; Give into all EU demands resulting in none of the benefits and all the rubbish bits of EU membership , or thrash out a central position which involves some compromise on both sides and is mutually beneficial.
 
Given the UK wants and has asked for a special super, duper deal then yes, it is bad news.
Really cannot see this as bad news - it is just 'stuff'

You must perhaps see things through a special prism - or perhaps genuinely bad news for Brexit is hard to find recently??
 
It seems the UK are seeking to cherry pick, just as the EU are making a few unacceptable demands of their own. The options seem to be as follows. UK don't budge and walk away with a mutually harmful 'no deal'; Give into all EU demands resulting in none of the benefits and all the rubbish bits of EU membership , or thrash out a central position which involves some compromise on both sides and is mutually beneficial.
You might be forgiven for thinking:

"We will not see movement from the EU...…."

;-)
 
Unfortunately due to the moderate clowns not managing to deliver on Brexit the population had to go with the extremist clowns. Such a shame. If May or Cameron had ever sincerely attempted to deliver on Brexit Gove would probably be a jnr minister and BJ would be writing an insignificant column in a paper once a week.
 
More on the fisheries deal. Source RTE. Abridged. TL;DR Barnier would move on fish in a heartbeat, but member states want a harder line.

My understanding is that EU fish ministers will bluntly tell Mr Barnier that he must stick to the mandate which member states gave him at the outset, namely that EU vessels should continue to enjoy the same access to UK waters as they did under the Common Fisheries Policy. As a reminder, the EU's negotiating mandate says the final deal should “build on existing reciprocal access conditions, [and] quota shares…” and that there should be “continued reciprocal access, for all relevant species, by [European] Union and United Kingdom vessels…”

On May 15, Barnier told a news conference there had been some movement on fisheries. Zonal Attachment was
"one element" in a possible solution, he said, but not the "only element". Some saw this as a signal the EU was going to compromise on the issue. Zonal Attachment is devilishly complicated, but it basically means using deeper data to work out where fish species live, breed, spawn etc. Essentially, the UK believes that that methodology would rightfully restore much more quota to UK vessels in British waters.

Some member states regard this as a "quota grab" dressed up as science. Zonal Attachment, says one source, is at play in the EU's ongoing discussions with independent coastal states (which the UK will become) over mackerel, but it is taking years. Furthermore, says the source, the science isn't there to provide the kind of data the UK is referring to, and that in any case, the EU and UK share over 100 stocks. So if it has taken years for mackerel, then imagine how long it will take for an entire fishing deal.

It's understood that in the interim between Barnier's tentative offer on May 15, the mood among member states has hardened, not least because of David Frost's letter of May 19, seen by many has combative. It's worth remembering that EU member states largely accepted the draft negotiating mandate drawn up by the European Commission in January. However, they made the language on fisheries tougher - something I'm told they will remind the EU's chief negotiator this afternoon.

Adding to the pressure, the European Parliament Fisheries Committee has adopted a resolution "no comprehensive agreement can be concluded between the EU and the UK if it does not include a complete, balanced and long-term fisheries agreement "allowing the continuation under optimal conditions of access to waters, resources and markets of the parties concerned"
 
Really cannot see this as bad news - it is just 'stuff'

You must perhaps see things through a special prism - or perhaps genuinely bad news for Brexit is hard to find recently??

I would have thought the papers published by the UK outlying the special status deal they want is a bit more than ‘stuff’.
 
Unfortunately due to the moderate clowns not managing to deliver on Brexit the population had to go with the extremist clowns. Such a shame. If May or Cameron had ever sincerely attempted to deliver on Brexit Gove would probably be a jnr minister and BJ would be writing an insignificant column in a paper once a week.

Yeah but the zealots were the one promising this wouldn't happen - they are going to cripple our economy with No Deal just as we are looking to recover from the Covid mess - way to go
 
anyone who voted Leave can't dodge out of it they own whats coming down the line

Support for a No Deal type scenario has very little public support. How can Johnson spin this when the reality of no deal hits home. 22% support is the starting point and I would suggest that it will drop away once the reality hits - especially the idea that you would do this amid a pandemic instead of agreeing an extension. If Johnson does this then every negative impact will be seen in the light of the fact that Johnson rejected any prospect of an extension in favour of the deadline he alone set.


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Support for a No Deal type scenario has very little public support. How can Johnson spin this when the reality of no deal hits home. 22% support is the starting point and I would suggest that it will drop away once the reality hits - especially the idea that you would do this amid a pandemic instead of agreeing an extension. If Johnson does this then every negative impact will be seen in the light of the fact that Johnson rejected any prospect of an extension in favour of the deadline he alone set.


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It looks like the only credible options are no deal which is so bad then we should revoke/remain or just revoke / remain? It's really clear when it's put like that. We could do with getting rid of the current govt (starting with BJ and Cummings) so we can get Starmer in to explain the logic of this to the population.
 
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