George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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i♥city! said:
Biggest mistake was for the black population globally to turn the other cheek. Centuries of abuse, slavery,apartheid,segregation,unlawful arrests, lynching and people say "Oh but two wrongs don't make a right, don't fight back, engage in constructive debates and stay steadfast, pray"......and then the same people turn around to drop bombs on Nagasaki, Napalm on Saigon, 24hr air bombardment against the afghans and I am like "Hey, didn't you just say turn the other cheek?"
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I think @Tim of the Oak would disagree that a riot spilled for these very reasons is understood.

From the high profile beating of Rodney King to Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor, Ahmuad Aubrey, Sandra Bland and now George Floyd; these are just a HANDFUL of unarmed victims by the hands of police. This has gone on for decades. Marches have happened with no real difference.

The only time any real action has been taken to charge any officers has been the result of rioting.

But some people think that can't be the 'last resort'.

Let me tell you, if the rioting never happened, one would know very little about these injustices.
 
Wow! Just seen the footage of the other officers' involvement.

Three out of four of those officers were kneeling on Floyd's torso, immobilising him as well as constricting his airway. The one on his neck, one on his back and one on his legs, whilst the fourth watched on.

All of it happened behind the vehicle.

Fucking shocking!!
 
Bigga said:
Wow! Just seen the footage of the other officers' involvement.

Three out of four of those officers were kneeling on Floyd's torso, immobilising him as well as constricting his airway. The one on his neck, one on his back and one on his legs, whilst the fourth watched on.

All of it happened behind the vehicle.

Fucking shocking!!
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Can you post that vid if possible not seen that.
 
Bigga said:
Do you not think rioting is the very last resort of not being heard?
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It’s a good question mate I’m angry some 3500 miles away, if I lived in that community and let’s face it in the states in general it would be hard not to be mightily pissed off. But the problem with rioting is the violence often doesn’t get put upon those that deserve it. Who is ultimately responsible for the treatment of the black community in the states? Are they currently cowering under a table? getting their windows smashed? having their livelihoods affected?

If the answer is no and if someone who has caused no bother to anyone suffers from this what do they do about this injustice? Do they take to the streets do they hand out retribution to those who have assaulted them? But they don’t know who those people are so do they just blow a fuse at random strangers or black people assuming they aren’t black themselves.

I have no problem with revenge or retribution but to have any chance of validity it must be directed to those that have wronged you. The problem is a systematic failure of those in charge to punish crimes of police officers historically who have committed murder on people based on the colour of their skin.

Randomly harming people who you don’t know can’t be the answer, the only problem is I don’t have an answer to this, it’s a fucked up place. Do I understand the anger and the reaction absolutely. Is it right I have to say no. Until those in charge put away these police officers for life or in certain states end their life like they do with other murderers then this shit will continue. But lashing out and hurting people around you without thought or consequence cannot be right.
 
I can't bring myself to watch the footage. Really is sickening, and sadly seems to be happening on a regular basis over in the states.

Rioting ain't the answer, but who can blame them? Time and time again we are hearing of unarmed black people being murdered by the police. And then there's that dimwit in the White House stoking things up.
 
This seems like exactly the sort of situation those gun nuts insist their weapons are essential to protect against. Maybe the entire black population should turn up to any future protests with assault rifles on their back like the white crybabies do when their freedoms are infringed because they can't get a haircut.
 
Bigga said:
I think @Tim of the Oak would disagree that a riot spilled for these very reasons is understood.

From the high profile beating of Rodney King to Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor, Ahmuad Aubrey, Sandra Bland and now George Floyd; these are just a HANDFUL of unarmed victims by the hands of police. This has gone on for decades. Marches have happened with no real difference.

The only time any real action has been taken to charge any officers has been the result of rioting.

But some people think that can't be the 'last resort'.

Let me tell you, if the rioting never happened, one would know very little about these injustices.
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I remember diving over a car bonnet to evade a police horse during the Swales Out protests / riots so they have their place. That said, I do feel for business owners who are seeing their businesses go up in flames and / or property looted. Gandhi, Martin Luther-King and Nelson Mandela (prison years) changed history without violent rioting, IIRC.

Mr Floyd's death is an atrocity and I want to see the perpetrator go to prison for a very long time. The police officer's conduct was appalling and the refusal of his colleagues to help Mr Floyd was atrocious. That said, it is still important to follow the rule of law in terms of prosecuting the case.

There have been horrendous racist assaults by US police officers. We have also seen misinformation on occasion that has boosted the enemies of democracy. I think it was during the Clinton / Trump democratic race that there was a terrible crime when a black motorist was killed by police. The Democrats claimed that a disproportionate number of black people were killed by patrol coppers but this was statistically false at the time and the Trump campaign made the most of of this to boost support. All the deaths were sad of course. It's just my opinion and a realise this is, quite rightly, a very sensitive topic for a lot of people.
 
hilts said:
It’s a good question mate I’m angry some 3500 miles away, if I lived in that community and let’s face it in the states in general it would be hard not to be mightily pissed off. But the problem with rioting is the violence often doesn’t get put upon those that deserve it. Who is ultimately responsible for the treatment of the black community in the states? Are they currently cowering under a table? getting their windows smashed? having their livelihoods affected?

If the answer is no and if someone who has caused no bother to anyone suffers from this what do they do about this injustice? Do they take to the streets do they hand out retribution to those who have assaulted them? But they don’t know who those people are so do they just blow a fuse at random strangers or black people assuming they aren’t black themselves.

I have no problem with revenge or retribution but to have any chance of validity it must be directed to those that have wronged you. The problem is a systematic failure of those in charge to punish crimes of police officers historically who have committed murder on people based on the colour of their skin.

Randomly harming people who you don’t know can’t be the answer, the only problem is I don’t have an answer to this, it’s a fucked up place. Do I understand the anger and the reaction absolutely. Is it right I have to say no. Until those in charge put away these police officers for life or in certain states end their life like they do with other murderers then this shit will continue. But lashing out and hurting people around you without thought or consequence cannot be right.
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I do not disagree with a single word posted, my friend.

But, this is not a single incident story; this is build up. The old generation of 'peaceful protest' and nothing changes have gone. These are millennials, White and Black that are beginning to understand the common fight for change.

We are all Human.

It's not hard for politicians to enact a change in the law that took decades to craft, holding down a demographic.

So, when you can't attack the politicians, you attack capitalism/ the system to be heard. You attack at the ballot box afterwards.

It's kind of like the person who feels they're not heard, so they self harm; a cry for attention to the pain/ anguish.

The police system seems to weed out the good guys as nobody seems to want to report bad behaviour and so the barrel begins to rot.

But, overall, I agree with you.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
IThere have been horrendous racist assaults by US police officers. We have also seen misinformation on occasion that has boosted the enemies of democracy. I think it was during the Clinton / Trump democratic race that there was a terrible crime when a black motorist was killed by police. The Democrats claimed that a disproportionate number of black people were killed by patrol coppers but this was statistically false at the time and the Trump campaign made the most of of this to boost support. All the deaths were sad of course. It's just my opinion and a realise this is, quite rightly, a very sensitive topic for a lot of people.
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I don't think it was. Possibly they said that more black people are killed than white people, and that was picked up on. But certainly a disproportionate number of black people are killed by cops. For white people it hovers around the 400 mark per year, whereas for black people, it's around 200. But there are just under 6 times as many white people as black people in the US. Unless I'm missing a definition here and 'patrol cops' refers to a particular subset of the data.
 
Bigga said:
I do not disagree with a single word posted, my friend.

But, this is not a single incident story; this is build up. The old generation of 'peaceful protest' and nothing changes have gone. These are millennials, White and Black that are beginning to understand the common fight for change.

We are all Human.

It's not hard for politicians to enact a change in the law that took decades to craft, holding down a demographic.

So, when you can't attack the politicians, you attack capitalism/ the system to be heard. You attack at the ballot box afterwards.

It's kind of like the person who feels they're not heard, so they self harm; a cry for attention to the pain/ anguish.

The police system seems to weed out the good guys as nobody seems to want to report bad behaviour and so the barrel begins to rot.

But, overall, I agree with you.
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It’s a catch 22 mate you can’t get to those that are responsible but you are going to blow at some point everyone has their limit. And then to muddy the waters we have the casual rioters those that just like a bit of bother. Answers on a postcard because America is a fucked up place. The protesters in the 60s had mainly a sense of civility and their bravery and decency was to be honest humbling but 60 years later I think it got them nowhere. Would I react in the same way as those are doing now in their situation? I like to think I wouldn’t but I’m not sure tbh until you have gone through this shit we can’t say.
 
If a police officer murders someone like that then I say it’s very fair for large scale riots and the behaviour we have seen.

it ‘should’ make police officers think twice
 
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