George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Checkout this big man kicking someone whilst they are on the ground posing no threat
 
Bigga said:
Now, all of America are getting to see why the US police is known as the 'biggest gang in the US' with their own policies of 'snitches get stitches'.

They stick together, no matter what.
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ACAB. Certainly in America.
 
MCFCTrick said:
Can't possibly agree with such a sweeping generalisation as that. It's like someone saying 'all muslims are terrorists' after an attack by extremists, or all scousers are thieving vermin, because ..... well ok, scrap that ...
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Said more tongue in cheek than anything but there’s not a chance in hell I’d visit America on holiday or business or otherwise if I was black.
 
MCFCTrick said:
Can't possibly agree with such a sweeping generalisation as that. It's like someone saying 'all muslims are terrorists' after an attack by extremists, or all scousers are thieving vermin, because ..... well ok, scrap that ...
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SWP's back said:
Said more tongue in cheek than anything but there’s not a chance in hell I’d visit America on holiday or business or otherwise if I was black.
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The problem is theres almost no such thing as a good cop.

How many cases of illegal police violence have we seen in the past 3 days? Driving SUVs into a crowd, deliverately trampling someone with your horse, firing at people in their property, deliberately firing at journalists, arresting them with no cause, a cop fired tear gas into someone's house in Virginia because he got taunted.

Sure thats a minuscule number of the police on the streets in the last 2 nights but where are the good cops reporting these bad cops and bringing them to justice? Where are the good cops stopping their colleagues in these videos? They're just watching if not joining in.


Why did the entire precinct Derek Chauvin belonged to go and surround his house - against orders because theyd already assigned a small army to protect him? Good cops dont go and show support for murderous cops.

Theres some good people who are cops in that country, but very few of them are actually good cops who will bring the rogue cops to justice.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I think these protests were well intentioned and the right thing to do.

Peaceful protesting is fine, but lots of these people are just there to cause violence. What do they gain from smashing up community shops or looting?
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I dont know if it's an american news thing, but the way that people talk around riots and instantly think they cant support them or it ruins a cause is really funny for a country whose independence started with a riot in Boston harbour. It's like as soon as some violence happens at a demonstration it's all gone too far.

People have been peacefully protesting this for 50 years and gotten nowhere, obviously they are going to resort to rioting. Go read MLKs beyond Vietnam or the other america speeches and he sums it up well.

The stamp tax riots, Boston tea party caused american independence. Washington DC exists because of the Pennsylvania mutiny, the Detroit riots changed policing for the better, stonewall riots massively advanced the LGBT cause, the Rodney King riots caused genuine change in LA policing even if it didnt go far enough.

It's a country built by riots with a history of rioting advancing causes, and yet people start clutching pearls when a Walmart catches fire.

Obviously no one wants people to get hurt, and it would be great if they could focus their anger towards the Targets and dollar stores instead of little mom and pop cornershops who will be effected for a long time, but ultimately if you're turned off the protests for racial equality in America because some buildings get looted then you never really cared.
 
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There always need to be some level of violence to change big things, to remove big problems. Well, not always, Czech and Slovakia separated peacefully, but in 98 of 100 times. Peaceful changes of big social and geopolitic problems are utopia. Every lost of life is tragic, every burnt building is huge loss, but at some time, there is a time to do things at some level of bloody way or you won't change a shit and the bleeding will continue on smaller scale but regularly.

The other thing is hypocrisy of condemning violence when it suits us. Barely anyone on the West were angry about some level of violence used to kick out dictator communist regimes, we all supported that and applauded the bravery of those who went to fight them. But when some oppressed group we have no much interest in has enough of oppression and riots on still fairly low scale, than it's blah, blah, Martin Luther King wouldn't do it. Martin Luther King wasn't doing it and still got assassinated. Fuck off. Black people in America could have peacefully kneeled for weeks, nobody would give a shit and nobody would hear them. A night or two of riots and everybody does. Sometimes you have to be violent. Be it to the bully in school or street, be it to the regime that is oppressing you.
 
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domalino said:
I dont know if it's an american news thing, but the way that people talk around riots and instantly think they cant support them or it ruins a cause is really funny for a country whose independence started with a riot in Boston harbour. It's like as soon as some violence happens at a demonstration it's all gone too far.

People have been peacefully protesting this for 50 years and gotten nowhere, obviously they are going to resort to rioting. Go read MLKs beyond Vietnam speech and he sums it up well.

The stamp tax riots, Boston tea party caused american independence. Washington DC exists because of the Pennsylvania mutiny, the Detroit riots changed policing for the better, stonewall riots massively advanced the LGBT cause, the Rodney King riots caused genuine change in LA policing even if it didnt go far enough.

It's a country built by riots with a history of rioting advancing causes, and yet people start clutching pearls when a Walmart catches fire.

Obviously no one wants people to get hurt, and it would be great if they could focus their anger towards the Targets and dollar stores instead of little mom and pop cornershops who will be effected for a long time, but ultimately if you're turned off the protests for racial equality in America because some buildings get looted then you never really cared.
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So it’s ok to riot now? to burn down local shops and smash up community centres?? For every protest or cause?

can you explain how that helps them right now?

“if you're turned off the protests for racial equality in America because some buildings get looted then you never really cared.”

That’s a pretty sweeping statement. I can care or someone else can care about racial equality without wanting mass rioting or buildings set on fire. I’m sure most people who live in the areas affected dont want to see their community shops being burned down
 
4 months away from the election these protests/riots could have a really impact if they keep up the momentum and dont swing so far out of control that the message is lost.

Trump and Bill Barr have cancelled and repealed 8 years worth of police reform policies and Sanders, whose campaigners are now absorbed into Bidens policy task forces, was the only candidate who had a really tangible solid policy on police reform that I'm pretty sure Biden will be happy enough to use in a few weeks time when it's not so overt a strategy to win votes.

4 months is not a lot of time for that anger to turn into apathy, especially with the virus ongoing and 40 million unemployed.
 
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