George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Scottyboi]

The rioting is same as over here a while back
Starts as a protest and quickly is taken over by scumbags on the rob and others who want to fight and destroy stuff
Only issue is over there the point will come where the police start shooting

This was about black lives mattering and a black man being murdered

The epitome of white privilege is going into a black neighbourhood hijacking a protest/movement, helping destroy the area and attack police to then return to your nice house drink a chai latte and go bed.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

This is what black people are fighting against.

 

[domalino]

Antifa is the narrative being pushed by Right wing organisations. In reality it only really exists as a colloquial term for anyone who is anti-fascist. Yes, anti-fascists are rioting and burning, but the notion that it has been orchestrated by Antifa is bollocks.

The right wing, and Trump followers, are defined by their deference and loyalty towards an authoritarian figure. They don't care about values, or political positions or ideologies, which is why all these "good christians" have no problem with the fact Trump had affairs, paid for sex, paid for abortions, lies multiple times a day, is openly misogynistic, explicitly says he doesn't like poor people, and hasn't opened a bible in 50 years.

All that matters is that the authoritarian figure head did it, so it's ok. It's what makes pointing out the hypocrisy and lies and cognotive dissonance so annoying, because you can show them 2+2 = 4, but if Trump says it's 5 then it's 5, and if he says it's 3 tomorrow, it's 3.

Because of that mindset they find it very hard to go up against ideas. It's hard for them to comprehend that tens of millions of people have just decided enough is enough, so they need to find a bogeyman, a group or figurehead to direct their hate and blame.

That's what antifa is. It doesn't actually exist, it's not an organisation or structured group, but Trump can just shout Antifa, and his followers have their single point of blame. Job done, no need to ask why so many of their fellow Americans are protesting, it's all just Antifa's fault.

 

[Vialli98]

The rioting is same as over here a while back
Starts as a protest and quickly is taken over by scumbags on the rob and others who want to fight and destroy stuff
Only issue is over there the point will come where the police start shooting

This was about black lives mattering and a black man being murdered

It's still about that, but there will always be opportunistic people waiting to take advantage of any civil unrest, either locally or out of towners.

 

[Shaelumstash]

The epitome of white privilege is going into a black neighbourhood hijacking a protest/movement, helping destroy the area and attack police to then return to your nice house drink a chai latte and go bed.

If there’s one thing that’s going to solve this issue, it’s more racial stereotyping.

Everyone should be alarmed and appalled by the treatment of black people by the police. Irrespective of their own background or choice of coffee.

It’s a human issue and stereotyping people’s behaviour based on race is the actual underlying issue here. Doing more of it just adds fuel to the problem.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

as i know if you were like this in public you would probably end up on the floor holding your face with the way you speak to people on here.

That's happened a few times, sure. Running my mouth also cost me a job ten years ago. Peacefully protesting my views also got me battered by a couple of police and thrown in a cell.

Threats of violence aren't always the great deterrent that you think they are.

 

[BimboBob]

The right wing, and Trump followers, are defined by their deference and loyalty towards an authoritarian figure. They don't care about values, or political positions or ideologies, which is why all these "good christians" have no problem with the fact Trump had affairs, paid for sex, paid for abortions, lies multiple times a day, is openly misogynistic, explicitly says he doesn't like poor people, and hasn't opened a bible in 50 years.

Sweeping. Very sweeping.

I know people, including members of my own family, who voted for Trump. They have values. They balanced his obnoxiousness against who he was running against. He seemed the better bet. It wasn't about him. It was about perceived local jobs/ business support. Small rural communities voted for his policies in droves. Not for him. My Uncle called him a "moron".

"Make America Great Again" was the headline slogan but it resonated with so many small communities bereft of jobs and investment.

Kudos to his team because it was the way to win.

 

[Vialli98]

Sweeping. Very sweeping.

I know people, including members of my own family, who voted for Trump. They have values. They balanced his obnoxiousness against who he was running against. He seemed the better bet. It wasn't about him. It was about perceived local jobs/ business support. Small rural communities voted for his policies in droves. Not for him. My Uncle called him a "moron".

"Make America Great Again" was the headline slogan but it resonated with so many small communities bereft of jobs and investment.

Kudos to his team because it was the way to win.

In a hypothetical world, who would your family/friends have voted for in 2016 if it was Bernie vs Trump?

I can somewhat make sense of voting for Trump if it was viewed as standard, status-quo, wall street, no change at all, keep everything exactly the same Hilary vs Trump who was promising all kinds of nonsense he didn't believe in and had no intention of fulfilling.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Sweeping. Very sweeping.

I know people, including members of my own family, who voted for Trump. They have values. They balanced his obnoxiousness against who he was running against. He seemed the better bet. It wasn't about him. It was about perceived local jobs/ business support. Small rural communities voted for his policies in droves. Not for him. My Uncle called him a "moron".

"Make America Great Again" was the headline slogan but it resonated with so many small communities bereft of jobs and investment.

Kudos to his team because it was the way to win.

How do those family members feel about him now?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Exactly. It's all f*cked up. The message behind the protests is lost in the noise which is exactly how the White House have played it. The Orange idiot tries to come across all military dictator, cracking heads and being brave in his bunker.

The right wing always frame these things as culture wars.

Trump is not speaking to his diverse nation, but to his base, and he's telling them that these rioters are coming for their way of life, and the only one stopping them is him.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Trump is not speaking to his diverse nation, but to his base, and he's telling them that these rioters are coming for their way of life, and the only one stopping them is him.

He'll tweet them to death from his bunker.

 

[BimboBob]

How do those family members feel about him now?

They still think he's a moron.

But... investment is there, jobs are increasing or were before covid. They are not that thick as to think that Trump was the cause. That's not how governments work. Politicians are the loud and obnoxious mouthpiece. Policies are implemented by civil servants.

Money was coming in. New houses, jobs were happening. That's what they voted for.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

This is what black people are fighting against.

Nothing will ever change in American life until the gun is legally taken out of society.
Racism is clearly evident throughout the various systems but you will always have problems as long as it’s ok for civilians of any beliefs, to have the right to arm themselves to the teeth.

You have an armed police force.
If the gun was taken out of society police would not find the need to use a gun do much and fear in law enforcement might not be such an issue. Perhaps policing could more readily be reformed.


Don’t see it happening ever in the US.
The nation was founded on the gun and people see it as their right.
I find the concept of living in that kind of society unfathomable.

 

[domalino]

They still think he's a moron.

But... investment is there, jobs are increasing or were before covid. They are not that thick as to think that Trump was the cause. That's not how governments work. Politicians are the loud and obnoxious mouthpiece. Policies are implemented by civil servants.

Money was coming in. New houses, jobs were happening. That's what they voted for.

Hey, sure the guy in the White House hates us because of the colour of our skin, but he didn't stop the already increasing jobs and employment from the Obama years so #winning!

What do they think about him calling black lives matters protesters thugs? Or tear gassing a peaceful protest about police brutality towards black people for a photo op?

What do they think about how his covid budget bailed out the FTSE 100 corporations and gave sweet FA to those small local businesses they voted him in to benefit?

 

[Magicpole]

They still think he's a moron.

But... investment is there, jobs are increasing or were before covid. They are not that thick as to think that Trump was the cause. That's not how governments work. Politicians are the loud and obnoxious mouthpiece. Policies are implemented by civil servants.

Money was coming in. New houses, jobs were happening. That's what they voted for.

I hate to make historical comparisons, but feel it's necessary. That's the same line the Germans gave when Hitler became chancellor and then dictator. They knew the Jews were being persecuted, but, he brought jobs. He actually did. The economic recovery in the US started with Obama. Economic recovery and prosperity can be achieved without looking the other way when Nazis want elected.

 

[idahoblues]

Hey, sure the guy in the White House hates us because of the colour of our skin, but he didn't stop the already increasing jobs and employment from the Obama years so #winning!

I know a lot of latino's who are big Trump supporters.

 

[domalino]

I know a lot of latino's who are big Trump supporters.

You mean rapists?

Or were they judges who can't be allowed to preside over a trial with one side involving latinos?

Or were they people like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez who should go back to their shithole country?

 

[bluemcr]

Nice argument back. Seeing as a two of them are Black and one is Indian I'd suggest that you might be a tad off the mark.

And a fucking plum.

I think blacks and ethnic minorities voted for trump aswell. Creating jobs in rundown areas, opening up steel mills etc. It was him or that fucking balloon Hillary

 

[idahoblues]

You mean rapists?

Or were they judges who can't be allowed to preside over a trial with one side involving latinos?

Or were they people like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez who should go back to their shithole country?

No, mainly hard working people who want to make money without a lot of oversight. A lot only hire other latinos, many undocumented and then work them 12 hr days, seven days a week.

 

[domalino]

No, mainly hard working people who want to make money without a lot of oversight. A lot only hire other latinos, many undocumented and then work them 12 hr days, seven days a week.

One day I'm sure people much smarter than me will find the definitive reasons why people like that voted for someone who persecutes the illegal immigrants they employ, has nothing but contempt for them and did nothing for them.

Fortunately it's only a minority, something like 20%, but perhaps it shows why the country is where it is right now if 1 in 5 people will vote for someone who persecutes them and openly incites his base to hate them rather than a democrat.