UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Ric said:
It’s not a public hearing, and no other clubs are on trial here, so not really sure it’d be particularly relevant tbh.
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Not sure it’s either tbh. Given the paucity of actual evidence in the public domain, it’s largely guesswork so a very rough 50/50 split on innocent or guilty (to whatever extent) isn’t a great surprise.
 
Ric said:
I’m not sure anyone is really voting with any great insight tbh!

I’m an eternal pessimist so voted for a reduced ban, but a few people I know who work at the club say the mood internally (led from the top) is one of optimism. Think it’s very difficult to predict with any confidence though how a three man panel will rule.
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Very true.

As we know absolutely nothing of what both sides have got, we have to assume, from what has been stated, that both have an airtight case. Naturally, City fans are a little pessimistic but with elements of our loyal support predicting the outcome to be quite the opposite then you see polling as it is, that it is 50/50.

When you think about it, and how bullish a lot of Blues were prior to us accepting the ‘pinch’ on the ‘deal’ that these recent charges are founded, you’d think that the percentage base of pessimism would be higher.
 
The Marcotti article is perfectly fair but its not realistic to expect a "clean victory" devoid of "technicalities and legalese." All CAS judgements are full of technicalities and legalese. Indeed its very hard to see that City can get a clean, "City did nothing wrong" when they actually already entered into a settlement relating to sponsorship and a breach of FFP in 2014.
 
projectriver said:
The Marcotti article is perfectly fair but its not realistic to expect a "clean victory" devoid of "technicalities and legalese." All CAS judgements are full of technicalities and legalese. Indeed its very hard to see that City can get a clean, "City did nothing wrong" when they actually already entered into a settlement relating to sponsorship and a breach of FFP in 2014.
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Although short, it was a decent read, for a change. The main effort of the article was to confirm the liability of FFP as a whole and who actually controls it.

The article was not from a legal standpoint, but more from an everyday fan one.
 
What I found interesting in the Marcotti article was his observation of the animosity felt by fans of other clubs regarding the matter and our obvious wholesale guilt, before proceedings of course.
He never indicates what brings that animosity about or points the finger at those responsible, mainly the shitehawk media in this country by their rank biased reporting of the whole thing.

Decent article though with nothing more than we ask. Fair unbiased commentary.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I am not sure that Ceferin is an ally of City but he is in a win win situation. If City win he can press on with his plans to change UEFA and his internal enemies are much weakened. He can blame CAS and Leterme for everything. If UEFA win then he gets the cartel clubs off his back and has still got scope to carry out his reforms. I think he is just a clever and pragmatic operator.
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Don't agree. If City win, his internal enemies will walk out.
 
Ric said:
I’m an eternal pessimist so voted for a reduced ban, but a few people I know who work at the club say the mood internally (led from the top) is one of optimism. Think it’s very difficult to predict with any confidence though how a three man panel will rule.
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I don't see how that option is an option with CAS, we're either confirmed guilty, ban, or not guilty, no ban, I can't see how there is a middle ground.
 
cleavers said:
I don't see how that option is an option with CAS, we're either confirmed guilty, ban, or not guilty, no ban, I can't see how there is a middle ground.
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Seen a few people say this, but it doesn’t make sense to me. CAS can, and have, lessened sentences in the past. It’s completely within their remit to judge that a penalty is too harsh even if they find a party guilty.
 
Ric said:
I’m not sure anyone is really voting with any great insight tbh!

I’m an eternal pessimist so voted for a reduced ban, but a few people I know who work at the club say the mood internally (led from the top) is one of optimism. Think it’s very difficult to predict with any confidence though how a three man panel will rule.
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No insight, just punting. #VOTE CITY WIN
 
Ric said:
Seen a few people say this, but it doesn’t make sense to me. CAS can, and have, lessened sentences in the past. It’s completely within their remit to judge that a penalty is too harsh even if they find a party guilty.
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I'm sure they have Ric, but I'm not sure in this case their is a middle ground they can go to, and I'm firmly of the belief that UEFA have no actual proof of where the money Etihad gave us came from, and neither UEFA or CAS have any legal grounds to ask them.

If CAS don't believe our story, we're guilty, if they have no proof either way we're not guilty.

I have to say at this point, I'm long past caring, the damage to our club is done, and even complete exoneration from CAS will not clear us fully in the eyes of many.

If we are put out of europe for 2 years, I think there will be a shit storm for quite a few others, and we'll have a lot to do with it. Two years from now football is going to be a very different world for many of the elite imho, and I fancy we'll be least affected in the long run.
 
We can win on a ‘technicality’ as some would put it and whilst we would still be able to participate in their corrupt tournament, we would still be guilty in the eyes of most.

Or CAS can exonerate us and do so in a way that calls into question both UEFA’s laws and the inconsistent way they have applied them to us over the years. They already hinted at being unhappy with UEFA when the CAS hearings were announced.

There’s winning and there’s winning.
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
A week or so ago a sizable number of posters on this thread were in agreement that this whole thing was a charade cooked up between the club & Ceferin. The thinking was that actually we are allies against the common enemy, namely the G14 clubs. When the case against us was unceremoniously thrown out by CAS then Ceferin would be somehow be in a stronger position to push back against the cartel clubs.

This made no sense to me whatsoever & I assume it was just extreme wishful thinking & wild speculation?
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No, we just believe Ceferin wants to deal City back in again. I still do. I can’t remember anyone saying the Cerefin and City concocted this??
 
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