George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[stonerblue]

Do some homework on them, they are part of the problem. Maybe you just read the headlines, bearing in mind they get a free pass from the media. Pull a mask off one and I'll guarantee it won't be some lad from Fallowfield fighting the good cause, it will be some twat from the sticks with a company owning parent/s. They latch on to these demos causing all sorts of trouble then people look back and think "why should we help...fuckem". Believe me, nothing will ever change when we've got these cnuts turning up chucking bottles, bricks and m80's into crowds.

Have you never noticed that none of them ever get named and shamed like anyone else causing bother? Maybe someone higher up has got their backs?

I asked you for a link to the organisation so i could do some homework.

 

[Ban-jani]

Now there has been several requests from many in Bristol for this to be pulled down and his only claim to fame is selling slaves so though it is criminal damage I am kinda not arsed that this happened.






Edit: after twalling through several post and replies apparently it was voted for it's removal before and the council have dragged their feet on it and many Bristolians are quite happy at this being gone though maybe not the method.

He was indeed a slave trader and that’s how he made his fortune, he did however use a lot of that money for building hospitals and his charities are still around today apparently.

The latter doesn’t excuse the former and I appreciate why a statue of the man isn’t a great idea in 2020. I don’t like the ripping down of statues or things of this manner but this one I can understand.

As long as they put it in a museum and don’t totally destroy it.

 

[kaz7]

I don't care what it is you think you are demonstrating against, you don't do it during a lockdown by breaking social distancing rules. It's worse than what Cummings did yesterday given the numbers and I think he should have been sacked or resigned. How can you given your stance in Cummings defend those people yesterday during a pandemic that is killing black people at disproportionate rates?

Black Lives are supposed to matter yet we see them being put at risk and some trying to defend it?

They know the risks of covid to their community,ask yourself why they took the risk ,maybe it is a tipping point in history in relation to the racism they get since they were born,that is why I try and understand why they are out demonstrating , as a white person i can't tell them they are wrong to use this moment in time to try and force change ,that has been my only point all along

 

[blueinsa]

They know the risks of covid to their community,ask yourself why they took the risk ,maybe it is a tipping point in history in relation to the racism they get since they were born,that is why I try and understand why they are out demonstrating , as a white person can't tell them they are wrong to use this moment in time to try and force change ,that has been my only point all along

So as a white person I can't have an opinion now?

Oh boy.

 

[ganganvince]

They know the risks of covid to their community,ask yourself why they took the risk ,maybe it is a tipping point in history in relation to the racism they get since they were born,that is why I try and understand why they are out demonstrating , as a white person can't tell them they are wrong to use this moment in time to try and force change ,that has been my only point all along

Assuming a number of the protesters are care workers are you good with them taking the virus into care homes in the next couple of weeks?

 

[Ban-jani]

A colleague of mine, who’s just lost a grandparent to this horrible disease, was absolutely livid yesterday watching the numbers that turned up and he’s been very supportive of the cause on social media this last week.

There’s the potential for more to die as a result of just the crowds yesterday than have died from racist attacks in the past decade.

 

[Bigga]

Nice one.

I’d slightly change that as I think opportunity is better than outcome, to focus on.

If you’re interviewing a cross section of people for top jobs and are doing so fairly, you’ll eventually get the outcome that reflects society.

As you know I work in recruitment and many of our larger clients take data based on background and have it in case they discover there isn’t diversity. I do think this is mostly for PR purposes and cover their backs but they are doing it.

The company I work for is a really great example, we’re about as inclusive and fair as you can get. That’s resulted in a lesbian CEO, a black MD and a female and black Sales Director. The business hasn’t done anything but act fairly and it’s resulted in diversity.

I think rather than making it compulsory, companies need to be educated to realise that any form of discrimination can seriously hinder their chance of success/profit, as our BAME people are the best people for the job and are making us successful.

From your post and what I can see from my position, we are on the right path but still have a bit of a way to go.

I think 'compulsory' makes a difference in some aspects.

Look at the police force, for example, you would think they've been 'educated' on the latest BAME relations and still, the force doesn't reflect population in some areas. I've been in Wythenshawe 8 years and can tell you how many times I've seen a BAME officer; zero, despite it being fairly diverse now. I can't EVER recall seeing a BAME fire officer in all my life!

Of course, I'm not saying there aren't any anywhere, but it's better to 'normalise' it in major positions so that people can aspire to apply for positions where they won't feel it is an exclusivity to enter.

 

[urban genie]

I asked you for a link to the organisation so i could do some homework.

I think it is a confusion that these direct action lot are from actual groups, which they are not.

Not since the abolishment of 'the squads' that used to protect the ANL has there hasn't been set organised teams to agitate and aggresively defend.

Incidently the squads were a Mancunian invention so another proud bit of our political history along side the TUC, anti corn law league, suffragettes Marx and Engels, etc.

 

[kaz7]

So as a white person I can't have an opinion now?

Oh boy.

I didn't say that,stop twisting everything I say

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

He was indeed a slave trader and that’s how he made his fortune, he did however use a lot of that money for building hospitals and his charities are still around today apparently.

The latter doesn’t excuse the former and I appreciate why a statue of the man isn’t a great idea in 2020. I don’t like the ripping down of statues or things of this manner but this one I can understand.

As long as they put it in a museum and don’t totally destroy it.

Probably a lot of statues about celebrating 18th / 19th century industrialists that built schools, hospitals, theatres and libraries who's wealth was built on the backs of our native workers in mills and mines. In many ways no better or worse than Colston.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think 'compulsory' makes a difference in some aspects.

Look at the police force, for example, you would think they've been 'educated' on the latest BAME relations and still, the force doesn't reflect population in some areas. I've been in Wythenshawe 8 years and can tell you how many times I've seen a BAME officer; zero, despite it being fairly diverse now. I can't EVER recall seeing a BAME fire officer in all my life!

Of course, I'm not saying there aren't any anywhere, but it's better to 'normalise' it in major positions so that people can aspire to apply for positions where they won't feel it is an exclusivity to enter.

I’d make it compulsory to open up opportunities to everyone but the problem with making it compulsory is if people from a certain background don’t want that job, then the organisation is punished for something that’s out of their control.

I’m not saying that’s why there aren’t more black cops or black people in certain roles at all, it’s just a problem that may occur in other areas if we go down that road of policy.

I’m in total agreement with you that diversity that reflects the population is a good thing at all levels, for everyone.

For the record I think more BAME cops in certain communities would be absolutely huge for those communities.

If you’ve got a south London, gang riddled area and you manage to recruit young black lads into the police force and away from the gangs, you’ll change the whole situation.

 

[Bovril]

Nice one.

I’d slightly change that as I think opportunity is better than outcome, to focus on.

If you’re interviewing a cross section of people for top jobs and are doing so fairly, you’ll eventually get the outcome that reflects society.

As you know I work in recruitment and many of our larger clients take data based on background and have it in case they discover there isn’t diversity. I do think this is mostly for PR purposes and cover their backs but they are doing it.

The company I work for is a really great example, we’re about as inclusive and fair as you can get. That’s resulted in a lesbian CEO, a black MD and a female and black Sales Director. The business hasn’t done anything but act fairly and it’s resulted in diversity.

I think rather than making it compulsory, companies need to be educated to realise that any form of discrimination can seriously hinder their chance of success/profit, as our BAME people are the best people for the job and are making us successful.

From your post and what I can see from my position, we are on the right path but still have a bit of a way to go.

Welcome back, as a recruiter and I as an employer the person who when interviewed stands out as the best for that role should always get the post regardless of colour or creed.

 

[Ban-jani]

Probably a lot of statues about celebrating 18th / 19th century industrialists that built schools, hospitals, theatres and libraries who's wealth was built on the backs of our native workers in mills and mines. In many ways no better or worse than Colston.

The first bit is true but I’d argue exploiting local workers but still actually paying them something isn’t quite as bad as shipping people across the world against their will and paying them nothing, whilst treating them as subhuman.

But I do totally see your point.

 

[kaz7]

Assuming a number of the protesters are care workers are you good with them taking the virus into care homes in the next couple of weeks?

I am not good with the timing,i have said that many times,this is a test of the government's assertion that being in a mass gatherings outside is a unlikely situation to catch covid i sincerely that is true,also they said that long before people started wearing masks

 

[blueinsa]

I didn't say that,stop twisting everything I say

It's exactly what you said that as a white person I can't tell them that now is a wrong time to protest.

Why can't I given social distancing laws and the pandemic and as a fellow human being and citizen?

I can only imagine a post on here saying a black person can't tell anyone or a woman can't?

 

[Ban-jani]

Welcome back, as a recruiter and I as an employer the person who when interviewed stands out as the best for that role should always get the post regardless of colour or creed.

Thank you.

Yeah I totally agree. I actually got annoyed when one client’s HR put in a policy to remove names from CVs, to stop any bias, as in my head I’d call anyone for a job, even if I couldn’t pronounce their name, as you’d expect me to do as a recruiter.

But then we have seen with the odd manager picking only English sounding names of candidates that there is still some issue, with the odd brain dead idiot.

 

[Gabriel]

 

[Tb1981]

He wrote the rules,are you still peddling that it has anything to do with this subject,i suggest the reason why the public are not sticking to the rules is because those who wrote the rules have not been sticking to them,fully backed up by he who can't be named

So black lives don’t matter?
I thought that’s the protest is it really about Dominic Cummings?

He wrote the rules? Is that established corroborated fact or just made up? Millions have been breaking lockdown since day 1 for a multitude of reasons be it because of work, having to shop for food or other essentials and then idiots like Cummings who did so because they literally don't care.

Barely a peep from many in here to the scenes from yesterday because all of a sudden it suits to ignore.

Fair play in at least trying to defend it though although you didn't do it very well in fact, not at all because it isnt defensible.

They know the risks of covid to their community,ask yourself why they took the risk ,maybe it is a tipping point in history in relation to the racism they get since they were born,that is why I try and understand why they are out demonstrating , as a white person i can't tell them they are wrong to use this moment in time to try and force change ,that has been my only point all along

No you as a person (whatever colour) can say whatever you like
It’s called free speech
And you choose not to say that they are wrong
Like the media everyone seems scared to denounce this for what it is.
It is irresponsible and it’s not racist to say that!

 

[kaz7]

It's exactly what you said that as a white person I can't tell them that now is a wrong time to protest.

Why can't I given social distancing laws and the pandemic and as a fellow human being and citizen?

I can only imagine a post on here saying a black person can't tell anyone or a woman can't?

i have only ever said I as a white women/person can't tell them they are wrong,you can say what you want,i didn't tell you that you couldnt

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The first bit is true but I’d argue exploiting local workers but still actually paying them something isn’t quite as bad as shipping people across the world against their will and paying them nothing, whilst treating them as subhuman.

But I do totally see your point.

I do wonder if the angst over statues like Colston, Rhodes, Churchill (I'm sure there are many more) says more about us as a society than those individuals. While it's great that we are evolving a bit, removing these statues does smell a bit of whitewashing our history / consciences. It's almost an easy way out to destroy them and deny our history rather than deal with our guilt. A more recent example is probably Arthur 'Bomber' Harris who did the ethical dirty work of bombing German civilians during WW2, but was then scapegoated and held at arms length.