George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[BlueNirvana]

Pardon?

I was just asking as some posters were talking about it and I hadn’t heard.

you should know better

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Pretty much the first time I've not known how to respond to such weirdness...

Closets are for clothes kid. Say no more. X

 

[urban genie]

Im not sure why colour is entering your argument.

Has it occurred to you that the colour of George’s skin had no influence on his decision to murder him?

You may think that.

But the colour of his skin was definately a factor in why said murderer and the other 3 policemen who stood and watched were not even fired, arested and prosecuted from the begining.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Pardon?

I was just asking as some posters were talking about it and I hadn’t heard.

Good to see you back pal. If I was you I’d log off again for a few months.

 

[Proy]

Ffs - to quote Peter Drury ....staggering...absolutely staggering

It’s staggering because you don’t agree with it.

As I’ve said all along, you have to view the context of each case and arrive at your own conclusion.

In this instance, mine is different to yours.

 

[mrbelfry]

Because I don’t think it was relevant in this case.

In that exact same situation starting from the point where George Floyd is suspected of handing over a forged $20 do you honestly think the situation would have played out exactly the same if George Floyd was white?

 

[Proy]

You may think that.

But the colour of his skin was definately a factor in why said murderer and the other 3 policemen who stood and watched were not even fired, arested and prosecuted from the begining.

In your opinion.

My opinion is that it wasn’t.

Let’s just agree to disagree, and that goes for all who are challenging me.

 

[BlueNirvana]

who is?

You know what is going on stop acting daft

 

[Ric]

It’s staggering because you don’t agree with it.

As I’ve said all along, you have to view the context of each case and arrive at your own conclusion.

In this instance, mine is different to yours.

Your “conclusion” is different to pretty much the entire world’s too. I literally haven’t seen anyone, on any platform, claim that race wasn’t an issue in the murder of George Floyd, which is why I find it incredible.

 

[bluethrunthru]

It’s staggering because you don’t agree with it.

As I’ve said all along, you have to view the context of each case and arrive at your own conclusion.

In this instance, mine is different to yours.

Me and most of the rest of the world pal - its your attempt to try and glibly explain this act away that confirms the continuation of racism and makes you complicit with the actions and views of racists and bigots.

 

[kaz7]

You know what is going on stop acting daft

Daft is my default setting !

 

[Proy]

In that exact same situation starting from the point where George Floyd is suspected of handing over a forged $20 do you honestly think the situation would have played out exactly the same if George Floyd was white?

Because they have a history. Unproven. But to me it constitutes a history and therefore a motive.

The cop was killing whoever pissed on his chips. Black or white. I don’t wish to make this a race debate because I don’t believe this case was one.

However, that isn’t to say there isn’t a deep routed and societal American culture issue around the way black people are treated.

 

[urban genie]

In your opinion.

My opinion is that it wasn’t.

Let’s just agree to disagree, and that goes for all who are challenging me.

Why this is quite a liveley, interesting and civil discussion we are having.

Shirley you can see that some institutional racism was involved after the death in ignoring the event until people kicked off

 

[mrbelfry]

It’s staggering because you don’t agree with it.

As I’ve said all along, you have to view the context of each case and arrive at your own conclusion.

In this instance, mine is different to yours.

Each case doesn't arrive in a vacuum. I understand you're trying to be rational and objective but the context has to be wider because in many ways they will inform the specific.

 

[Proy]

Your “conclusion” is different to pretty much the entire world’s too. I literally haven’t seen anyone, on any platform, claim that race wasn’t an issue in the murder of George Floyd, which is why I find it incredible.

Im cool with that, Ric.

I don’t conform to popular belief because the world tells me I have to.

I have an opinion on the subject.

You can find it as staggering as you like, I really couldn’t give 2 shits ;-)

 

[kaz7]

Because they have a history. Unproven. But to me it constitutes a history and therefore a motive.

The cop was killing whoever pissed on his chips. Black or white. I don’t wish to make this a race debate because I don’t believe this case was one.

However, that isn’t to say there isn’t a deep routed and societal American culture issue around the way black people are treated.

Do you honestly think you will ever see a white yank officer murder a white man in the street whilst looking like he was thinking about what to have for tea and allowed by 2/3 other officers,being filmed doing it?

 

[mrbelfry]

Because they have a history. Unproven. But to me it constitutes a history and therefore a motive.

The cop was killing whoever pissed on his chips. Black or white. I don’t wish to make this a race debate because I don’t believe this case was one.

However, that isn’t to say there isn’t a deep routed and societal American culture issue around the way black people are treated.

Can you see how your rush to be impartial damages victims? Why give Chauvin the benefit of the doubt when you already acknowledge there is a problem

Plus what if race informs that history?

 

[BlueNirvana]

Daft is my default setting !

No
excuse

 

[Bigga]

You may think that.

But the colour of his skin was definately a factor in why said murderer and the other 3 policemen who stood and watched were not even fired, arested and prosecuted from the begining.

I think this is difficult. It's not like the Arbery case where a witness claims to have heard a racial slur shouted at the victim.

However, it seems routine, in attack, like we've seen against some protesters posted online, all of which I seem to notice are Black. It's also in the callous nature Chauvin treats the victim.

It's nonchalant and deeply uncaring of the end result.

It's just not definitive and hard to prove in a court of law.

 

[Proy]

Each case doesn't arrive in a vacuum. I understand you're trying to be rational and objective but the context has to be wider because in many ways they will inform the specific.

Objective is my middle name.

I don’t argue my point in extremes. In fact I haven’t even quantified my opinion today, I’ve only said I don’t believe this was a race related killing.

Hence the line of challenges I’ve had.

It’s the same reason the protests become riots. Because that opinion is the only one that matters and everyone else is wrong outside of it.

I don’t like that.

This is a democratic world where people have different takes on specific situations.

It doesn’t mean I don’t acknowledge the very clear issue with black treatment in America

It just means I don’t agree with it in this instance.