George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[kaz7]

Raheem Sterling on speaking out against injustice: "I don't think about my job: I think about what's right... There's only so much people can take. Especially black people. People are tired and people are ready for change." [via
@BBCSport

"Just like the pandemic, we want to find a solution to stop it. This is what these protesters are doing. They are trying to find a solution and a way to stop the injustice they are seeing and they are fighting for their cause..."

As long as they are doing it peacefully and safely and not hurting anybody and not breaking into any stores, they continue to protest in this peaceful

Raheem Sterling on injustice: "I keep saying this. I see a lot of people on social [media], supporting the cause. But this is something that needs more than just talking. We need to actually implement change and highlight the places that do need changes..."

"But this is something that I myself will continue to do, and spark these debates and get people in my industry looking at themselves and thinking what they can do to give people an equal chance in this country..." #MCFC |
@ManCity

Hopefully other industries can do that, and everyday society and the system as well." [via
@BBCNewsnight

I have put this here as we are talking about it but feel free to move mods

 

[Proy]

I think cops killing black people with impunity for decades is a somewhat bigger driver of ‘divide and conquer’. And every now and then there is a protest against it and cities start burning. Frankly I’m always amazed they don’t burn more often.

And it’s racism because killing a black man for that cop and others like him is no big deal. It’s institutionalised racism because that is the way cops are trained to react. A black person is a threat and is to be neutralised. No exceptions. It’s how you get ten year old boys with toy guns getting shot dead by the police. It’s also institutionalised racism because when they do kill a black person they expect the system to back them up and exonerate them. And it does.

Absolutely.

Im not disagreeing with the above or whatever others have said along this line. I get it.

All I’m saying is this particular case wasn’t race related.

Many disagree.

Im cool with that. I’ll sleep tonight.

 

[ManCitizens.]

In fact, I will alter my last post; there IS no 'Hate Crime' definition in Minnesota.

Chauvin can't be charged with a law that's not there.

Introducing this sort of law would be a start. Completely backwards this sort of thing still doesn’t exist in what many consider the leading country of the ‘free world’.

 

[BobKowalski]

That much was patently obvious, it's one of the most painful watches and avoidable. He may have been a total arsehole but the cop is there to follow the law and instead he murdered him in front of everyone and not one of the cops with him stepped in to intervene.

A lot of people are making a point that pulling down statues here attacking police officers and Horses plus not giving a fig about this shitstorm of a virus is out of order, there are anarchists of every colour clouding what is a very serious issue and if this continues the general public will stop supporting what cause they were trying to promote.

Yeah, because the general public have been really rushing to solve this problem through dialogue and well meaning discussions.

Shit only changes when it gets rough. Half of our rights today are the result of people in the past cutting up rough.

 

[mexico1970]

Yeah, because the general public have been really rushing to solve this problem through dialogue and well meaning discussions.

Shit only changes when it gets rough. Half of our rights today are the result of people in the past cutting up rough.

There's always a bedroom revolutionary to put the world to rights, conflating what happens in the USA to what happens here is a mistake.

Violence begets violence.

 

[BobKowalski]

Absolutely.

Im not disagreeing with the above or whatever others have said along this line. I get it.

All I’m saying is this particular case wasn’t race related.

Many disagree.

Im cool with that. I’ll sleep tonight.

It was racial. Killing a black man by that cop is seen as no more than squashing a bug. That’s racial. You can shut your eyes all you want but it ain’t changing reality.

 

[Proy]

It was racial. Killing a black man by that cop is seen as no more than squashing a bug. That’s racial. You can shut your eyes all you want but it ain’t changing reality.

People keep telling me it was racial.

Conversely, I could suggest you open your eyes to the potential it wasn’t.

It is horses for courses.

I haven’t once today attempted to suppress my thought train, I’ve only defended myself.

Agree to disagree, and move on with your day.

 

[BobKowalski]

There's always a bedroom revolutionary to put the world to rights, conflating what happens in the USA to what happens here is a mistake.

Violence begets violence.

Violence begets change. Always has, always will.

 

[mexico1970]

Violence begets change. Always has, always will.

It simply isn't true, and from what people are saying it's not the "Protesters" who are committing violence it's the other groups spoiling for a fight. There wont be a surge of public support for these marches, that time has passed.

 

[BobKowalski]

People keep telling me it was racial.

Conversely, I could suggest you open your eyes to the potential it wasn’t.

It is horses for courses.

I haven’t once today attempted to suppress my thought train, I’ve only defended myself.

Agree to disagree, and move on with your day.

No shit. I’m amazed.

 

[Proy]

No shit. I’m amazed.

Why don’t you just move on? Is it that hard?

I accept your point of view and appreciate it. I have a different one. Why can’t you just appreciate mine whilst being in disagreement?

I respect your point of view, but will respectfully disagree.

Cheers.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

This was a killing like many. In my opinion, it had nothing to do with George being black.

That’s your view which is fine. Why is your opinion important enough to post? Do you have some special insight here about African-Americans or white police officers that others don’t have that adds value to the discussion? Do you have some new information to impart we aren’t privy to? Some experience to share? Some different, unique lens through which to view events?

Perhaps so, and if so, could you share it?

 

[Ric]

Why don’t you just move on? Is it that hard?

Six hours and what seems like six hundred posts ago you declared that you “were out”. Maybe time to heed your own advice eh.

 

[Mike N]

The money earned from slavery is still in this country. The rich families who have passed blood-stained money down to their descendants.

 

[Proy]

Six hours and what seems like six hundred posts ago you declared that you “were out”. Maybe time to heed your own advice eh.

With hindsight I probably should have.

You are just another in a line of people who disagree.

You’ve attempted to ridicule me in another thread.

I see you.

Hugely disappointing from the owner and moderator.

Thread ban me and fill your boots if you want the last say.

 

[BobKowalski]

It simply isn't true, and from what people are saying it's not the "Protesters" who are committing violence it's the other groups spoiling for a fight. There wont be a surge of public support for these marches, that time has passed.

Not a big student of history then I take it? How about something recent? The yellow vest protests in France started over Macron’s decision to bring in a diesel tax. Took Macron about two weeks before he ditched it and other related measures. But your right a few terse emails would have done the trick.

 

[Ste1969]

Institutional racism is very prevalent in America. It’s horrific.

But no, I don’t see it in this case. I see a man with a criminal history vs a bent copper where both have a past.

This was a killing like many. In my opinion, it had nothing to do with George being black.

You must be fucking deluded if you don't think it had anything to do with him being black.

 

[Ban-jani]

The money earned from slavery is still in this country. The rich families who have passed blood-stained money down to their descendants.

What families and what should we do about it?

 

[Proy]

You must be fucking deluded if you don't think it had anything to do with him being black.

Then I’m deluded if that is what floats your boat.

My opinion is this isn’t race related.

Simple as that.

 

[mrbelfry]

No less neutral than you pushing this as a race crime, alongside many others.

Im not pushing it as a race or hate crime. I'm saying race is a factor. I can say that without accusing Chauvin of being a racist. I can see no other explanation for Chauvin's stance and behaviour whilst being filmed other than he thought he could act without consequence because Floyd was black. Chauvin might not have killed Floyd because he was black but he thought he would get away with it because he was black.

if im wrong a murdering scum bag cop gets mislabelled a racist but there is a chance for a positive change that you acknowledge needs to happen. By saying "actually guys your wrong Chauvin is just a scum bag so chill your outrage" you just pour salt into an open wound. And you do this based on no information just a desire to give the benefit of the doubt to a cop who may or may not be racist but definitely killed someone.

I'm not criticising your attempt to find some neutrality in this instance. I'm just not sure who benefits from it