George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Ban-jani]

It is true.

As someone who has not benefited from this disgusting trade, I’m not sure. I know those of African decent who find themselves all over Europe and USA have never been paid any compensation so maybe that would be a start?

It should be remembered that the money to pay-off the horrible slave owners in this country was the equivalent of billions of pounds in today’s money. It dwarfed what we paid out to save the banks 10 years ago.

I wasn’t saying it wasn’t true and I am very much aware of the government paying slave owners off to free slaves but I just wasn’t sure on the number of families around today who have direct wealth still.

The reparations argument is a terrible one in my opinion. No one alive today did it and no one alive today was a slave (well that’s ignoring modern slavery but it’s a different topic). Once you make the argument for one thing, you can go on to many more. Maybe Germany should be paying the rest of Europe for the war etc.

I’m also not in favour of illegally taking money off people due to laws 200-300 years ago being immoral, they were still laws and were then changed, an agreement took place and it’s been fulfilled. Generally speaking, we still give a lot of aid to former colonies anyway.

History is important but regarding the race issue, I really think we need to look at the here and now and then focus on making things equal for the future.

 

[Ban-jani]

Luckily for them it was "largely peaceful".

It’s shit like that which automatically switches me off to their cause and makes me think it’s anarchists looking to cause trouble.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I'll just leave this here for people to ponder...

And it's true before anyone thinks it's BS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833#:~:text=Under the terms of the,owners of the freed slaves

Yeah, it's an interesting one. Rather than abolish slavery and leave the slave owners to deal with the losses of their disgusting industry, they decided instead to pay them off with money from the next six generations of taxpayers. And just out of interest, what compensation did the slaves themselves get out of this deal? And just out of interest, can you think of any other examples of an industry or practice being made illegal and the government paying compensation to the affected companies? I'm genuinely interested to know why it was considered so important to compensate these people after we had decided that what they've been doing was basically criminal.

If we banned tobacco tomorrow, do you think the government would hand over vast amounts of wealth to the tobacco industry to compensate them, for example?

 

[Phil1]

I'll just leave this here for people to ponder...

And it's true before anyone thinks it's BS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833#:~:text=Under the terms of the,owners of the freed slaves

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. The fact is, regardless of what may have happened in the past, there is an element of racism creeping through the U.K. and has been for a while now.
Most of the racists tend to be a bit more subtle about it these days and thankfully the problem isn’t as bad as other countries but that doesn’t mean there’s not work to be done in order to eradicate it.
Even this board has its fair share. They won’t admit it and they will argue until they are blue in the face that they aren’t, but people just need to be able to read and have comprehension skills to see who they are.
This issue will always divide, it has no quick fix, but then nothing of such importance will ever have a quick fix.
The important thing is to try though and not give up on trying even if it involves mass protests that will unfortunately trigger violence and aggression.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It’s shit like that which automatically switches me off to their cause and makes me think it’s anarchists looking to cause trouble.

Some of them are, of course.

And it's worth praising the police in this instance (not that they had much choice, mind) that they decided to get out of there rather than risk escalating the situation. I think the UK police have become much better in the last 20 years or so at dealing with protests. Having said that, I haven't been to one, so perhaps I'm just believing what I see too much.

 

[urban genie]

I'll just leave this here for people to ponder...

And it's true before anyone thinks it's BS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833#:~:text=Under the terms of the,owners of the freed slaves

What the fuck has that to do with institutional racism that still exists today?

So when we abolished slavery we compensated the owners, of course we did imagine if a global empire that relied on world wide trade suddenly cut off and pissed off most of it's business partners.

This would have been seen as good financial sense not some duty to the slaves and suddenly we ain't racist anymore, plus the majority of plantation and slave owners sat in parliament or the house of lords so in effect they were compensating themselves.



And racism still exists

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Or Shaun Goater!

I was at his last game when Southend played Bristol (amongst the City 400). All three groups of supporters singing Feed The Goat.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Yeah, it's an interesting one. Rather than abolish slavery and leave the slave owners to deal with the losses of their disgusting industry, they decided instead to pay them off with money from the next six generations of taxpayers. And just out of interest, what compensation did the slaves themselves get out of this deal? And just out of interest, can you think of any other examples of an industry or practice being made illegal and the government paying compensation to the affected companies? I'm genuinely interested to know why it was considered so important to compensate these people after we had decided that what they've been doing was basically criminal.

If we banned tobacco tomorrow, do you think the government would hand over vast amounts of wealth to the tobacco industry to compensate them, for example?

I'd wager we also made this money back and more by illegally flooding China with opium and then bombing the fuck out of them and imposing reparations when they finally took matters into their own hands and confiscated it from the smugglers we sold it to.

1833: Britain pays for the freedom of slaves.

1839: the Opium Wars begin.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Luckily for them it was "largely peaceful".

Yes I saw this video and it’s disgraceful. A minority of idiots / scum undermining the protest and reinforcing Johnson’s / Cummings’ core vote.

 

[Ban-jani]

Some of them are, of course.

And it's worth praising the police in this instance (not that they had much choice, mind) that they decided to get out of there rather than risk escalating the situation. I think the UK police have become much better in the last 20 years or so at dealing with protests. Having said that, I haven't been to one, so perhaps I'm just believing what I see too much.

I hate the fact they have to run from danger, makes a mockery of the law.

 

[Ban-jani]

Yeah, it's an interesting one. Rather than abolish slavery and leave the slave owners to deal with the losses of their disgusting industry, they decided instead to pay them off with money from the next six generations of taxpayers. And just out of interest, what compensation did the slaves themselves get out of this deal? And just out of interest, can you think of any other examples of an industry or practice being made illegal and the government paying compensation to the affected companies? I'm genuinely interested to know why it was considered so important to compensate these people after we had decided that what they've been doing was basically criminal.

If we banned tobacco tomorrow, do you think the government would hand over vast amounts of wealth to the tobacco industry to compensate them, for example?

I think the very simple answer is the slave owners were those in positions of power.

 

[jay_mcfc]

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. The fact is, regardless of what may have happened in the past, there is an element of racism creeping through the U.K. and has been for a while now.
Most of the racists tend to be a bit more subtle about it these days and thankfully the problem isn’t as bad as other countries but that doesn’t mean there’s not work to be done in order to eradicate it.
Even this board has its fair share. They won’t admit it and they will argue until they are blue in the face that they aren’t, but people just need to be able to read and have comprehension skills to see who they are.
This issue will always divide, it has no quick fix, but then nothing of such importance will ever have a quick fix.
The important thing is to try though and not give up on trying even if it involves mass protests that will unfortunately trigger violence and aggression.

One of the problems with modern racism is people think it doesn’t exist because no one uses the n word anymore.

 

[purplenose]

Yes I saw this video and it’s disgraceful. A minority of idiots / scum undermining the protest and reinforcing Johnson’s / Cummings’ core vote.

What a shameful state of affairs. Both the thugs who now have proved this lot to be as bad as any far right lot. The Police for once again being told to and allowing this to occur, and doing so and worse still running.

This country will go up in flames, those who scoff at the suggestion this place could descend into civil war at some point in the not too distant future are living in cuckoo land, Its coming.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What do you suggest? Tanks? Horses and dogs have been used for decades in crowd control and public order situations.

I never said anything about dogs. Tanks should only be used as a last resort. Might be wrong but I don’t see horses being deployed very liberally in other western democracies. Just not sure about their efficacy in a contemporary public disorder setting - plus the risk to police riders is significant, as demonstrated the other day.

I believe it’s a worthwhile debate and the fact something’s been used for decades is a weak argument without any associated context.

 

[Mike Cledford]

Yes I saw this video and it’s disgraceful. A minority of idiots / scum undermining the protest and reinforcing Johnson’s / Cummings’ core vote.

Its all Cummings fault. Piers Morgan says so because he drove to Durham.
Just as they follow everything else he says and does.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

What a shameful state of affairs. Both the thugs who now have proved this lot to be as bad as any far right lot. The Police for once again being told to and allowing this to occur, and doing so and worse still running.

This country will go up in flames, those who scoff at the suggestion this place could descend into civil war at some point in the not too distant future are living in cuckoo land, Its coming.

The police will have been told not to strike out. By the time they ran they were in survival mode. They weren’t equipped for the job and we’re let down by their leaders.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Turfing out of where ? and by who ?

Out of the protests.... the police I’m guessing or by other protesters.

plenty of videos of other protesters angry at some of the actions over the weekend, trying to stop people from attacking the police

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Its all Cummings fault. Piers Morgan says so because he drove to Durham.
Just as they follow everything else he says and does.

I was thinking more about his tactics of weaponising race during recent votes.

 

[bluemoon32]

I hate the fact they have to run from danger, makes a mockery of the law.

Coppers running away is never a good look

 

[DazWA9]

I no longer recognise the country I grew up in. David Lammy says ‘things have got to change” - I have no idea what he is proposing but it will no doubt mean the likes of me becoming even more marginalised in the country I was born.
Watching that scrote trying to set fire to the flag at the Cenotaph on the news this morning actually brought a tear to my eye, I don’t mind admitting.
If that is the type of country the likes of Lammy and Burgon are proposing, they are welcome to it. I’ll continue to self isolate so I don’t have to cross the path of the ignorant and stupid (and yes, the racists).