UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[slbsn]

Is there a chance of a "drop hands" agreement?

Doesn't look like it does it? UEFA wouldn't drop hands as it already has nothing to lose if CAS finds for City. The chance for settlement is always there even after judgement (although unlikely).

 

[ancoats]

I am gonna go with no, because as Soriano stated, we have not committed an offence and have the evidence to back it up at CAS

but is making a mistake a offence ? uefa and FFP rules changed over night and keeping up with them was a nightmare
could this just be a mistake on both parts and manchester city 2020 don't come under the new rules of FFP and are a debt free and in profit

 

[theres only one carlito]

"CAS upholds the appeal for the reasons set out in its Arbitral Award" - in short it finds City's arguments were better than UEFAs on the matters in question. No innocence, no "they didn't do it" just legalese, some reasoning and a verdict.

I’ve just done a quick google on semantics.
I’ll be honest, I’ve never heard of the term before.

I'd say UEFA's whole rulebook is full of semantics! They say one thing but mean another. Thus goalposts get moved around all over the gaff.

 

[cheekybids]

"CAS upholds the appeal for the reasons set out in its Arbitral Award" - in short it finds City's arguments were better than UEFAs on the matters in question. No innocence, no "they didn't do it" just legalese, some reasoning and a verdict.

what if there is irrefutable evidence I.e evidence of different HH financing Etihad surely City are innocent of the accusation.

 

[slbsn]

what if there is irrefutable evidence I.e evidence of different HH financing Etihad surely City are innocent of the accusation.

what City mean by irrefutable evidence is not what the average man on the street would mean as irrefutable evidence. They mean irrefutable in the context of this process. Lets be clear, those leaked emails are real - we can argue over their value or consequence but they clearly say what they say and inferences are not difficult from them. We will be putting forward documents that, in essence say, "it is irrelevant what those leaked documents say because they were superseded or replaced by more authoritative documents like audited accounts or bank statements."

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Better than 0-1

Surely it is 0 - 1, as we are the away team ? ;-)

 

[bluemanchester]

Who blacked out the text on the emails though? Der Speigel? If it was them, and the blacked out parts help to exhonorate us, surely they wouldn't be confident of a UEFA win, as they appear to be saying. The same goes for The Guardian, if they have also seen the full emails.

I asked on here a few days ago who blacked out the emails but did not get a reply, so I dont know who did it. I would also ask has anyone seen the full emails because I have not seen them published. Then I would ask why are they blacked out because they are important in bringing the charges and should be able to prove the issue one way or the other. But the charges are vague, we dont know exactly what City or UEFA have in evidence. But I come back to asking why were they not printed in full.

 

[chesterbells]

So is it all done now, as in they haven’t needed the 3 full days put aside for this? Just seen from MEN on twitter CAS have announced they are now going to start drafting their decision ..

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

what City mean by irrefutable evidence is not what the average man on the street would mean as irrefutable evidence. They mean irrefutable in the context of this process. Lets be clear, those leaked emails are real - we can argue over their value or consequence but they clearly say what they say and inferences are not difficult from them. We will be putting forward documents that, in essence say, "it is irrelevant what those leaked documents say because they were superseded or replaced by more authoritative documents like audited accounts or bank statements."

How do you think that sits as a defence out of interest? I ask because of a question I raised in an earlier post, namely that City producing the club’s audited accounts doesn’t really get to the nub of the accusation, which is that Sheikh Mansour diverted his own money into Etihad, who in turn then pumped it back into City under the guise of sponsorship.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

what City mean by irrefutable evidence is not what the average man on the street would mean as irrefutable evidence. They mean irrefutable in the context of this process. Lets be clear, those leaked emails are real - we can argue over their value or consequence but they clearly say what they say and inferences are not difficult from them. We will be putting forward documents that, in essence say, "it is irrelevant what those leaked documents say because they were superseded or replaced by more authoritative documents like audited accounts or bank statements."

they're accusing us of doing something. We provide objective evidence to the contrary that shows the accusations aren't true (which audited accounts and bank statements are) and we did it a different, legitimate way. That seems pretty irrefutable whichever way you dress it up.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

We should do the same as Liverpool did, give the City treatment it’s not difficult to ban a newspaper (the worse one being racist or telling lies about our club ) I already do not listen to talksp*** and avoid all dodgy media.

 

[chesterbells]

they're accusing us of doing something. We provide objective evidence to the contrary that shows the accusations aren't true (which audited accounts and bank statements are) and we did it a different, legitimate way. That seems pretty irrefutable whichever way you dress it up.

A sort of ‘guilty until proven innocent’ type idea you mean?

 

[blue b4 the moon]

So is it all done now, as in they haven’t needed the 3 full days put aside for this? Just seen from MEN on twitter CAS have announced they are now going to start drafting their decision ..

IF that is true that sounds great.

City probably have umpteen points to clear ourselves, if it's done so quick an early one must have hit home.

 

[lancs blue]

So is it all done now, as in they haven’t needed the 3 full days put aside for this? Just seen from MEN on twitter CAS have announced they are now going to start drafting their decision ..

There are two things wrong with that post in terms of the likely truth. ;-)

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

So is it all done now, as in they haven’t needed the 3 full days put aside for this? Just seen from MEN on twitter CAS have announced they are now going to start drafting their decision ..

What?! Surely not?, Can you post a link to this?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

So is it all done now, as in they haven’t needed the 3 full days put aside for this? Just seen from MEN on twitter CAS have announced they are now going to start drafting their decision ..

don't think so, think it just means once it's done they will start it.

 

[Decepticon]

So is it all done now, as in they haven’t needed the 3 full days put aside for this? Just seen from MEN on twitter CAS have announced they are now going to start drafting their decision ..

 

[bluemanchester]

My question to that then would be if that was the case why did City not just say that at the time, and/or release an unredacted copy of said email. We’ve never refuted the content of those emails, merely suggested they are out of context....

I dont know why City did not publish the full emails, maybe then they did not want to give away too much info at that early stage, maybe they wanted to see what developed or maybe they knew UEFA leaked at that time or individuals within UEFA were hell bent on harming City. If they were so damning why didnt Der Speigle print them in full, they had them I presume. Anyway if the previous poster is correct about CAS winding up we will know soon.

 

[chesterbells]

What?! Can you post a link to this?

On the Man City Xtra twitter feed, including a link to the MEN, with a quote from CAS saying
“Following the hearing the panel will deliberate and start drafting the Arbitral Award...”

The only thing is maybe they are disingenuously putting up an earlier quote which is a statement of process, to make it look like it’s breaking news ...(?)

 

[Breadsnapper]

Can't but help think that this has gone our way. Has we been found to be at fault our team would have argued the case more.